Archive through February 02, 2006

Tim's Discussion Board: Shen Wu Virtual Academy : New Clip on the Virtual Academy: Archive through February 02, 2006
   By Meynard on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 10:34 am: Edit Post

I put a new section on the Virtual Academy as per Tim's instructions.

It's the technique of the month. It's up on the Virtual Academy.

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   By Jason M. Struck on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 11:45 am: Edit Post

thanks for sharin dude. I love the technique. I wonder how that would go in a judo match. It'd probably just confuse the first guy that I try it on. Holding their sleeves would be out of the ordinary. pretty great though. Thanks for posting.

Technique of the week someday? Maybe du jour?

That sounds good, I'll have that.


   By Meynard on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 11:57 am: Edit Post

I'll go find the footage of Tim executing this exact technique during a BJJ blackbelt superfight.

Tim's got tons of techniques, enough to do a technique du jour for at least 10 years straight. If you want to see more you've got to come to class.


   By robert on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 12:27 pm: Edit Post

thanks meynard, awesome technique. I was getting kinda tired of watching the same clips on the virtual academy.

also, be careful when being thrown not to put your arm down like that, you could dislocate your elbow. take it like a man, lol.


   By robert on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 12:34 pm: Edit Post

"Holding their sleeves would be out of the ordinary."

actually, in judo, you find yourself holding the sleeves of your opponent quite often.

The hard part of that throw for me, would be getting the footwork down and applying the spiral which changes directions at the end of the throw. Also, i noticed that tim grabbed meynards leg on entry, and then used his right arm as a lever to turn you over at the neck, left thigh to reap the legs, and left arm to throw the leg over. very clever, thats why i want to learn ba gua.


   By Meynard on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 01:42 pm: Edit Post

My arm is at a 45 degree angle. I'm perfectly fine with taking breakfalls. Thanks for the concern.


   By Old Timer (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 01:50 pm: Edit Post

Shen Wu San Soo?

What was the differnce between that and KFSS?

Certainly cooperative. The inside setup sweep and then the over the knee focol point throw was San Soo ish if not pure SS. As far as the soft sparring it looks like a cross between standard SS practice and SS counter move practice.


   By Meynard on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 01:56 pm: Edit Post

As promised the Tim Cartmell in action using the same technique in the demo. Tim wins by a throw and submission.

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   By Ollie (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 03:52 pm: Edit Post

Awesome throw!


   By robert on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 04:33 pm: Edit Post

very clever, i like the way tim modified the throw so that he cut out the first part (ankle lift)
but still used it to the same effect, that shows true skill and innovative genius. awesome, , p.s. meynard, i see now that your arm is rounded to the ground, i couldnt really tell at first.

thanks for the clip meynard.


   By Shane on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 04:44 pm: Edit Post

the opponent kept kicking Tim's shin to make him step back so he could sweep. He tried one too many times.


   By robert on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 06:00 pm: Edit Post

lol,
the funny thing is how linear the throw looks in the second clip. the way that tim threw the other guy off balance to set up the throw was fast, i barely caught it, and im sure his opp. was thinking the same thing, as he was falling to the ground.


   By Shane on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 06:03 pm: Edit Post

with QuickTime you can 'pause' and use the arrow keys on your keyboard to slow-mo the action.

Yeah, the dude was shocked to be thrown and submitted so quickly.


   By Jason M. Struck on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 06:53 pm: Edit Post

if possible, please keep posting more of this, it's great.

note to robert: see how in competition, rather than grabbing both sleeves near the wrist, which most judo guys would not allow you to do, tim's right hand is rather positioned at the left lapel, high into the collar like a choke set up? This exchange begins from more of a standard judo grip, rather than the class shots, which were unusual looking from a 'competitive judo' perspective. In the end, the class shots go to right hand behind the head, which is another thing that an experienced judoka wouldn't let you do, but of course the same effect is derived from the pull on the collar.


   By Meynard on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:06 am: Edit Post

Tim mentioned that he wants to put up at least one new clip a month.

You'll be seeing more clips soon enough. The last one I posted was supposed to be for January and I was just slow in getting it up on the Virtual Academy.

Stay tuned and visit often.


   By Datuibad on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 10:59 am: Edit Post

Meynard thank you for that GOODSTAFF.MAn!!!!!that's Shen Wu Moves rite ther!!!!


   By Meynard on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 12:13 pm: Edit Post

Now only if I can get all you knuckle heads together to take a group picture...I'd complete the Shenwu Fighter's Profile section.

Damn, it's like pulling teeth.


   By Jerry L (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 04:23 pm: Edit Post

Attack, takedown and follow up.

3 parts of SS technique.

Attack or takedown can start with a set-up such as the cupping ankle sweep. Patterning a change of attack or follow-up based on the same takedown is called "basing-out" technique. Leads to inumerablew variations of technique, a SS staple.

That wasn't the same throw as on the first video. Not because of the absence of the set-up (ankle sweep), because he grabed the opponents inside leg and lifted him.

A variation right out of the San Soo play book.

Shen Wu or Shen H. Woo?

Maybe Old Timer spoke too soon regarding the frankenstien art stuff. Maybe you are learning San Soo but do not know it?

Just like Jack and Jerry taught the Navy SEALs and called it SCARS when all along it was San Soo.


   By Shane on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 05:30 pm: Edit Post

I'm up for a group picture.

Jerry L (Jack), Tim didn't grab the opponents leg and lift him (he grabbed the outside of the leg and there was no lifting... and ). Pause and use your arrow keys to slow-mo the action.


   By robert on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 07:32 pm: Edit Post

i agree, there was no lifting, just very well applied kuzushi. right back corner to left front corner, flawless.

jason, in essence, i feel that the 2 throws are the same, the throw in the class shot would be more like an actual combat throw i.e. the circling swinging arm movements which you wont see too much of in judo. (no contact) it isnt a judo technique after all, its a ba gua technique.

grabbing the left lapel in tight and gripping the upper right sleeve is a basic judo hold and is always used during regular practice, before the tori throws the uki.

"see how in competition, rather than grabbing both sleeves near the wrist, which most judo guys would not allow you to do"

yeah, most judo guys wont allow you to throw them either, its not about being allowed to. its about penetrating the defense of your opponent. A real judoka would know that.