what lyricism

Jackabobed,

Lick my balls, loser. Has it ever occurred to you what a loser you really are? Your lil one eyed pecker aint gonna do squat to nobody never. I bet without a bottle of viagra, you can't even get your eency weency peter of yours up. Now put a sock in it, byatch! LOL! Go wrestle the gorillas at the zoo, jump off a bridge, or fly a kite. You one dumbazz mofo.

3,
Wow, I was confusing. How did you know which Jimmy Woo I was talking about?

I remember all the times I saw Jimmy in his school introduce himself as "Jimmy Woo" (that's not his real name you know). Too bad you weren't there to correct him.

Jack,
For the record, I banned Marc for some of his comments on people's mothers. But I'm letting him back on soon (then you can run him off).

Thanks Tim people where beggining to think he was me. Was He?

All women are sluts, except of course your mom and mine.

Uh ohh. Am I banned? Oh well less work.....

PS. I hope it was about my mom.

I hate to see you go.

Took your ball and went home Huh?

Thgought you banned me for the "All women" remark.

Not the good stuff I wrote in THe San Soo theread (that you deleted) regarding competion and inadequacy.

Hit a button?

I thought you had a somewhat open mind.

Jack's been banned for making sense.

So what was so objectionable about the san soo piece?

Curious Jakc

No, it's more like throwing a rowdy drunk out of the club. If you wrote any good stuff, Marc, I missed it. Which I guess is possible, because after a while I quit reading your posts. I was thinking of suggesting that everyone do that.

Look, Marc, most people on the board were vastly relieved when you disappeared. You've been making an intolerable nuisance of yourself. Several of them said so. Bob, or his buddy Shane, one of them, TOLD you were about to be kicked off. Tim is VERY patient; I'd have thrown you off off much sooner, but there's a limit to what even he will put up with.

Tim does have an open mind; you don't. You really should, because you have much more to learn from Tim, or even Bob #2, than they do from you.

You think you're funny; you're not. Bob 2 is funny. Learn from him.

You really have delusions of grandeur if you think you got to Tim. I'm trying to be uncharacteristically brief, so I'll just say, look, you've been acting like a jerk, that's what you got kicked off for, and now you're acting like a whiney jerk.

Grow up. Sit your well-deserved 15 minutes in the penalty box, come back and try not to be such a jerk this time. Speak up when you have something to contribute, or a good question, or something funny to say.

Or just leave.

Damn it! Why do you people persist in thinking I am any thing less than serious. How can you read any of my posts and reflections and find them comical. I just don't see it.

Some of you are stubborn like a bunch of saddle sores.

Hi Tim:

I left Vietnam in Nov, 1969. ETS'd at Ft. Lewis then went to Taiwan as a civilian. I started studying with Hsu Hong Chi (I am accustomed to the old way of converting Mandarin to English. Never adapted to the new. I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks.) When I arrived there Hsu Lao Tsu (We didn't call him Sifu. It waw Lao Tsu) had a small school in a back street behind the Hoover Theatre/Restaurant. Later moved it caddy corner from the Hoover. I studied with Hsu Lao Tsu until June of 1973 when I came home and finally left the Army after six years.

I stayed in touch with Hsu Lao Tsu until 1979 when I was divorced from my wife (She was from Taiwan and always wrote the letters in Chinese). When I first arrived the assistant instructor was Chen Lao Tsu and later "Black Snake" Li (It was an appropriate name because he was almost as friendly as a snake. He actually got the name because he wore a self-designed patch that was white with a black snake.)

I saw that you studied with Hsu Lao Tsu's son after he died. I never knew his real name. Everyone called him Ong Eh. I was responsible for a great deal of Ong Eh's training up to the point where he achieved a brown belt level.

I doubt that they were still there when you got to the school but Hsu Lao Tsu used to have some pictures of me doing a break at a Double Ten Day demonstration. I was doing a jump spinning back inner crescent kick into several tiles being held by one guy sitting on another's shoulders.

I still remember a lot of the others from the school. Ah Huan, Ah Tsuan, Ahm Pien and others.

If you'd like to drop a line I'm charlesalsip@msn.com

Forgot to say I re-enlisted after I arrived on Taiwan. Was assigned to USASTRATCOM-Taiwan. I re-enlisted for a guaranteed two year assignment in Taipei.

Hi Charles,
(I'm assuming from your e mail address)

Thanks for posting. Ong Eh's name is Hsu Jen Wang. He was my teacher after Hsu Laoshi passed away. I also met Black Snake on several occasions ( he wasn't especially friendly to me either).

Any stories about your training are welcome.

Tim

so you could do a jump spinning back inner crescent kick.
i don't even know what that mean?
sounds cool!!!
but why with a guy sitting on another's shoulders?
in case you fight a 8 feet tall guy?
just kidding!
do you still train?

ps. my uncle did 6 years in vietnam!
you got all my respect man!!!

Hi Tim & Marc

The reason for having the guy holding the tiles sitting on the shoulders of another guy was for show. It was a demonstration so the idea was to impress the crowd. The tiles were indeed close to 8 feet off the ground. To make it better I had no idea the guy holding the tiles (10" x10" about an 3/4" thick I think there were three) was going to be on the shoulders of another man. I thought he was going to be standing on the floor. After I completed the break I walked by Hsu Laoshi (sorry I blew the spelling Tim) and he just grinned at me. I have to be honest. When I saw that guy climb on the other's shoulders I was shocked. Didn't think there was any way I could get a kick up that high, especially when I had to start with my back to the target.

Hsu Hong Chi was my only teacher. He was a very good judge of another's ability. I figured that he thought I could make that kick. If he thought I could do it I knew I could. He had a way of instilling that kind of confidence in his students. I say that he was my only teacher but I guess I should qualify that as all of the senior students at his school were involved in teaching including myself when I attained some experience. Also, if you proved to be an exceptional student (in his eyes) he would have many of his friends who were also masters of their own schools come in after the regular class was over to provide special instruction. I was fortunate enough to be exposed to many different styles through these special sessions.

There are so many stories from my time in Hsu Laoshi's school. It would take many, many pages to relate them to you. I discovered this site by searching for Hsu Hong Chi. Also another site hosted by Mike Patterson but I'm confused because there was a Mike Patterson in the school while I was there but he was in the air force assigned to Shu Lin Ko Air Station. There were several other guys who came to the school from Shu Lin Ko. I also remember a Special Forces (Green Beret) guy named Mike Bingo. He was short, stocky, and tough and you didn't let Bingo close on you when you sparred. If you did you paid for it. He wasn't tall but he was strong.

I taught in my hometown (Evansville, Indiana) for 26 years after coming home. I still train myself but gave up teaching. I'm strictly a hands on type of teacher. I always did everything the students did and more. I suffered an injury to my lower spine at work that put more limits on me than I liked so I quit teaching. I actually taught for the police department here for several years along with my other students.

My fondest memories as a martial artist are all tied to thousands of hours I spent in Hsu Hong Chi's school in Taipei.

Tim, if I said some rope, some bricks, and a tightly twisted piece of cloth would you know what I was referring to? Very few of the foreigners from the teacher's school would know.

Charlie

rope,bricks piece of cloth??????????
can you explain?

Hi Marc

Sorry, this is one I can only discuss with someone who knows what I mean. Otherwise I am forbidden. A promise to Hsu Laoshi many years ago.

Charlie

oh i see,it goes in the secret file with all
the deadly moves and pressure points!
i understand.?

Perhaps, but you'll never know Marc.

well,you know all the secrets,don't you?
if it work so good then someone would have taugh it to make some money or to feel good about themselves.if no one hears about it then it's not worth talking about it!!!
the reason why poeple keep secrets is because they are afraid to look like fools.
when someone knows something good,they feel the urge to tell the world!

No Marc, they don't keep things secret from everyone but I can assure you they are careful not to teach people who they feel will MISUSE what they teach. I never commercialized because I didn't want to be obligated to teach the bullies and troublemakers. I did teach for the police department for three and a half years and, in all honesty, there were some officers that I wouldn't normally have accepted in my class. Then there were always the guys who thought they knew everything before walking in my door. If you already know everything why would you want to come to me for training? And the Billy bada**es, well, after getting their butts whipped once or twice they just didn't come back.

As far as money goes, I don't have to sell my soul or prostitute my art for money. I had a regular job to go with teaching classes. When you're pulling down $100,000 a year in a small midwestern city you can live comfortably. I don't care about being rich.