Me and Chris Hein!



That's the stick he broke over the guys back.

Meynard, what's going on in the second pic from the top? Is grappling allowed in this?

I believe it's a Dog Brothers event with weapon-on-weapon, empty hand vs. hand-weapon, two-on-one, etc. It's a full contact tounament that allows all ranges of combat. Maynard and Chris seem to do really well at these events. In my opinion, the participants are out of their fukking minds. A lot of them get hurt. I'm not sure if they're brave and skillfull or simply crazy as a poop house rat. My hat is off to them, you know...the light blue one with the French flair.

Meynard pretends to be looking at the broken stick, When infact it's my beautiful calve that he's stairing at.

Also notice how nice all of the pictures of meynards movment look. Someone must be doing something right. These fights are full contact, anything goes, and Meynard looks calm as a school boy who did his homework! (Maybe cause he has!)

Chris,
I don't think he's looking your calf, I think he's looking at your stick (the one that is in your pants). Meynard looks a little fruity, not that there is anything wrong with that. To each his own.

Chris, by the way, you look a little fruity yourself. If you dressed better, I'ld bet you could get a role on Queer as Folk.

Kenneth,
The stick fights are virtually no-holds-barred.
Besides beating each other with the sticks, you are allowed to punch, kick, knee, elbow, headbutt, throw, grapple and apply submission holds (practically Disneyland for Meynard and Chris).

Like most empty hand fights, many if not most of the fights with a single stick will quickly end up on the ground. All of the fighters have at least basic ground grappling skills, you wouldn't be able to compete effectively without them.

Ok, so why not throw a little broken glass and various rubbish one would find on the street and use a concrete surface, the odd chunks of wood, a garbage can or dumpster - this is meant to simulate the street is it not?

Then lets see how many people go to the ground.

rubbish.

As hard as it may be for someone who's never been in a fight to understand; often times people don't want to go to the ground but end up there because they fall down. Also not all fights take place in Hell's kitchen or in the ally behind the chinese food resturant. Sometimes fights happen on the grass of a school yard or in a park or in your house. Oh yeah and I forgot to mention that if I throw you on the ground and get on top of you, it's you who has to deal with the concreat and broken glass, I have a nice cushion.......you!

Rembrae, it is not to simulate the street, it is to practice skills for for the street. Sure, on the street you may get scraped and bruised from going to the ground but that is not going to deter you from grappling when your life is on the line. It is absurd to increase the chance of injury (even minor injuries) during practice by adding realistic street surfaces and objects. It is just as absurd not to practice grappling thinking that in a real street fight, no one will go to the ground because of the chances getting a boo-boo from rolling on the asphalt. I could be wrong but you are probably one of those grappling-phobes who rationalize your lack of grappling skills by saying it is too dangerous to grapple in the "real street".

By the way Chris, koreankiller thinks you and Meynard are gay. What say you.

I forgot to mention that these photos were taken by our resident photographer Matt Hwang.

Here's my favorite photo taken by Matt.

Matt should be a professional photographer! Oh crap now I complimented Matt, so all these Homo's are going to think we're gay too. Sorry Matt.

-Chris

I don't think Matt is gay, he is too strong to be gay.

Willard,

Have you ever seen Matt at one of the meetings?

Bob#2

Rumbrae,
It's apparent from your posts you have never been exposed to actual street fights.

I highly recommend the DVD's available at realfight.com The producers pay anyone $1000 for video footage of streetfights.

I especially recommend "World's Wildest Street Fights, Vol. 2" There is film of about 15 or 20 street fights, the fighters go to the ground in all of them. These DVD's will give you an idea of what most real fights actually look like.

Tim,

I've been in a little over 30 real fights long before you went to Taiwan, many underground, some outnumbered, but considerably more than your 2 mentioned on earlier posts.

In my personal experience more than half of these have been in the presence and use of weapons, and more than half of those not using the regular weapons MA folks practice with.

The gangs in our neighborhood invented Dog Brothers when those guys were still figuring out what they could do with a stick, we used to gang bang with anything we could find and there were no fencing masks and padded hand gloves. One kid did lose an eye once so it calmed down, for about 2 months.

Bush parties were common and there were always fights, most people came to fight. Almost every weekend someone went to the hospital because the fire, beer bottles, and junk yard scrap were used as weapons and a lot of people were drunk (some not). Sometimes there were ambushes because so and so beat so and so last weekend.

We used to have bb gun fights since we were 8 years old all the time - I'll never forget the fact that we were laughing so hard while I used my tiny dull scout knife to carve a BB out of my friends neck because his mom would give him •••• if he went home with it still stuck inside, not that we were shooting each other. We even used to travel to other towns, run around in caves with flashlights strapped to our guns and shot the crap out of each other. Makes today's paint gun games look lame.

The majority of fights I have been in that went to the ground are first when there are no weapons and second when one person doesn't get an advantage within the first few moments of close contact. Many of those fights that went to the ground were decided by who got hurt by what was on the ground. Sorry but I was only in a couple fights on a nice clean grassy field.

For example, a friend of mine was pushed on top of his pedal bike he got off of to fight, the end of handle bars broke his fall and he was in intensive care for internal bleeding. My best friend used a hockey stick against me in his dad's tool shop once, tool shops are great places to practice for reality fighting, lots of choices, so I just charged him and left. His dad had to lift him out of a pile of paint cans, old fruit boxes, and a lawn mower, no puncture wounds he was lucky.

So while I don't care to have the public fame, the lineage, and the website that doesnt mean I haven't tasted more reality then you will ever think of even considering.

Correct me if I'm wrong but what I see is you are a clean shaven, neatly pressed professional, taking proper classes and learning precise form from other such professionals, competing in what I consider close to reality. Sorry but BJJ and NHB competitions are boring because everyone uses the same things under rules and gets paid money to do it - that's reality. It's like a boring baseball game. Sure it unpredictable but also predictable.

I respect what you do, that's what I do now too because of my age, but to try and say its reality is not right. It is as close to reality as YOU want to be, but it is very far from the reality I experienced.

I grew up in the street, short from the prison, but have been in fights with and learned from such people. Majority of people out there don't know how to fight profesionally but get the job done so much faster in the midst of chaos. I am more afriad to fight someone in reality without professional trainng than someone with it. I also have too many times seen the sifu bopped on the head by an unorthodox beginner's movement.

It is not surprising that there is defence of such "professional" practice. I throw in a small dose of reality and ooooohhh... awwwwwwww there is rejection.

My experience is my own, real, solid, and significant. I wasn't brave or stupid, that's just the way it was when I grew up.

It's interesting that so many people who practice IMA revere the warriors of old who were in real fights for life or death constantly, but never are in such real fights themselves. A similarity is modern fencing in the olympics and death match duels in Europe a couple hundred years ago. I wonder how many fencers today would survive in their sport if transported back in time for a real match. It's a shame.

Given all of this I am shocked that the best you can offer is to disrespectfully tell me what I am and then to suggest buying a third party DVD to back up your own point...

Has any long-time poster here observed how often different subjects eventually lead to the same debates repeatedly? With all due respect for what you went through, Rumbrae, don't you think such things are relative? I tend to think the real difference is one of mind-set, and am about to start babbling about reptile-mind, etc. At any rate, it seems the dog-brother's match isn't for the squeamish.