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Xing Yi is full of powerful throws (often a form movement that looks like a punch is actually a throw). Most of those could be used in Judo.

Anyone who has a deep understanding of the alignments and body usage principles of Xing Yi could use them defensively or offensively in Judo. (maybe that's the "inside" part you refered to).

Thanks for the input guys!

My theory was that I would train with Judo guys, BJJ and wrestling guys to mix things up and learn how to fight with variety of different people. Maybe that is too ambitious of me since I have only been training for about 8 months. I just love the contact.

For now I am going to work on my xingyi then venture into BJJ and see what happens from there.

Thanks again to everyone that offered sensible replies.

Peace
Tim

Meynard, Ansari, and Lem:

Thanks for throwing me around on Saturday. I'd like to train like that every other Saturday.

Everyone else, I've got a single palm change (Gao style) that makes a nice osoto gari. I've also got a xing yi application (pi chuan to ko uchi gari).

I think cross training is good, and i guess if your desire is to be a fighter cross training is the way to go, but with the arts like xingyi, bagua, and tai chi (and any others really) 4 months of one art and 4 months of another isn't going to take you very far. I think progress in any art is measured in years, and when you start practicing so many arts over so short a time your spreading yourself very thin.

I dunno if you or very many others will agree but thats just my 2 cents on the entire deal. I have been taking xing yi for almost 9 months now and while I can measure my progress in leaps and bounds, comparitively, its almost nothing compared to students who have been learning for 3-4 years or more.

Abdullah: I definitely feel like now that I am learning Judo, i am getting the chance to practice and get better at all the throws and take downs and chin na that CMA teachers always hint at, or demonstrate, but rarely impart to their students to the level of applicability.

to The Man: some things take years to master. The majority of what can be taught by a martial arts teacher or used in a ring is easily understood in an hour, easily mimicable in a few days and easily applicable in a few weeks. A jab or an armbar or a choke would be good examples. The key i think is having a teacher whos going to create the environment that lets you learn and practice in a meaningful way so that you learn as fast as possible. It's no mystery really, it's just learning and teaching methods. I do acknowledge that some things take longer, and that the aformentioned can be improved over years of practice, but applied shouldn't take that long. Ask Tim how long it takes him to get his students into non-cooperative training environments.

Abdullah: I like your examples. Tim's Combat Throws book is a good example, too. He has a hip throw in there, that's easily imagined as a single palm change into O-Goshi with the variation that he is outside of the arms. If you were inside the arms, you might try Kata Guruma! Nothing makes an impression like lifting your opponent over your head.

Jason,

While Tim and I have both had success w/o goshi in competition, I have never been able to do it the way he does. I've got my own set-ups and combos that work for me.

I'm trying to throw at a distance now, so I've been working kata guruma and my sweeps. I'll let you know if I pull off kata guruma.

I would recommend that they be significantly taller than you and, if possible weigh a lot less...

I use o-uchi and ko-uchi as a feint to get underhooks grips on my opponents. If the sweep works, that's great, but if it don't my arm shoots up right under there arm pit. Something like harai goshi or uchi mata is then really easy. Or just mean variations of headlock throws like koshi guruma or knees. Lots and lots of knees. Knees are so persuasive!

Jason,

Competing out here in California is interesting. It was the first time that I was the tallest guy in my division! It was like competing against and army of Clebers!

huh.

Cleber's the little munchkin that I got my blue belt under. Tim is a black belt under him. My point was that it's hard to throw people a lot shorter than me.

that was a puzzled but demonstrative 'huh.', not a what? 'huh?'. I think i saw a picture of cleber (luciano or something, right?) on the website.

my sifu in china had some good advice when i was having trouble wrestling. he would say 'lower'. my stances too. 'lower'. 'faster, more power.' and 'lower' seemed to be sufficient to address all my training needs though... so that could be wisdom, or a single digit english vocabulary.