Grenade Self Defense - Just In Case

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   By Jake Burroughs on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 06:53 pm: Edit Post

Sadly more common with "self defense" instructors then any of us would care to admit.

http://www.groundnevermisses.com/2014/02/grenade-self-defense.html


   By Jamie on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 01:39 am: Edit Post

Jake, I like the clip.

From my experiences with the military in Israel, Afghanistan and Africa; although the particular situation is very specific- a hostile walking in closed quarters with a grenade in hand, with the pin pulled. Although specific the scenario is not unrealistic.
This disarming technique does not seem hilarious or inaccurate.
Disarming an assailant with an armed grenade without releasing the spoon seems reasonable to me.
I'm not getting the joke...
What am I missing here?


   By Jake Burroughs on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 12:44 pm: Edit Post

I suggest you reevaluate your training if you found anything useful there.


   By Jamie on Monday, March 10, 2014 - 01:30 am: Edit Post

Jake:

I am wondering what you would suggest in a such a scenario? Disarming a terrorist with a grenade in hand.

Or is it that you are thinking the words "self defense" do not apply in this case?


   By Jake Burroughs on Monday, March 10, 2014 - 07:16 pm: Edit Post

I always assume I am fighting a better, smarter terrorist who (I would hope) would most likely figure out that a grenade is a long range weapon and throw it prior to me or any other being able to engage in CQB with him.


   By Jamie on Tuesday, March 11, 2014 - 03:42 am: Edit Post

Yes, The grenade was designed to be thrown. Unfortunately many terrorist are willing to sacrifice themselves for their cause.
Oddly enough I remember doing such a drill where the grenade holder was intending to lob the grenade into a specific small area like the command post or the fuel dump. This somewhat similar scenario had the same task: disarm the terrorist to save lives. So in that case taking the grenadier down after the throw would be a little late.
Taking cover, or escaping the closed quarters was not an option, although the best real defense. It would not save lives of others.
During that time of my misspent youth in the Marines (1980's) with no grappling experience the task of controlling the grenade that had the pin pulled without releasing the spoon was a near impossible task. The terrorist only had to drop the grenade and although his greater mission of placing the explosion strategically would not be accomplished, the idea was for the Marine to survive the encounter and save the lives of others.
I think in a scenario like this (as unappealing as the options may be) the instructor is offering something better than close your eyes and wish for the best.
if the idea is just to protect yourself, I can see the silliness of disarming a grenadier-

thank for endulging me, and for the clip

Jamie


   By Jake Burroughs on Tuesday, March 11, 2014 - 09:43 am: Edit Post

Got a little too much time on your hands bro.


   By Bob #2 on Tuesday, March 11, 2014 - 11:11 am: Edit Post

grenades.... the reason I always have a roll of duct tape hanging from my belt.


   By Tim on Wednesday, March 12, 2014 - 01:22 am: Edit Post

I've no idea how to deal with a terrorist with a grenade, but if anyone ever throws one near me, I want to be standing next to this guy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDpOawqg5i4


   By Jamie on Wednesday, March 12, 2014 - 05:22 am: Edit Post

Great clip!

Got the office laughing here in Djibouti.
They love making Chinese Army jokes and you just fueled the fire...

Bob#2
Is the roll attached with duct tape, to a belt made of duct tape?

Jake
Yeah, too much time.
I could practice that Sun form I'm learning from the DVD more. (Great work on that guys). However I must admit -Judo at the Japanese camp, has left me in a slowed recovery mode- ƒ¼ that allows meditation on the Zen of heroism.

Guy's thanks for brightening my day


   By Bob #2 on Wednesday, March 12, 2014 - 12:16 pm: Edit Post

Attached to a real belt. I stopped substituting duct tape for things after a make-shift jock strap incident in the late 80's.

I still have remnants.

Bob#2


   By Jamie on Thursday, March 13, 2014 - 09:13 am: Edit Post

Although I am sure that strap is museum quality and worth keeping, I give you permission to throw its remnants away.

Jamie


   By Bob #2 on Thursday, March 13, 2014 - 10:50 am: Edit Post

I do. When they peel off my skin.


   By Jamie on Thursday, March 13, 2014 - 11:45 am: Edit Post

:-)


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