Tim, from the perspective of Shen Wu. Were does Kung Fu San Soo lie?

I don't teach San Soo anymore.

ice cold

I guess that means San Soo is inferior.

only an idiot would guess that.

without guessing, I'm able to deduce that means San Soo is not taught in the Shen Wu curriculum.

Neither is Sumo.

Bob#2
(correcting you)

Then, deduce WHY it is "no longer" taught.

I deduce that San Soo is not taught in the Shen Wu Academy because it does not match the philosophyical precepts of Shen Wu.

Geniuses-2
Kenneths-0

Good deduction Richard.

Technical brilliance and real world application is not the same animal. Much different and I am not talking just about fighting.

Martial art is about fighting technique, San Soo is about confidence in your character; using your protection ability to gain the confidence to enter into a period of self-definition.

San Soo involves real life experience. It is about using the art of Advantage inside the art of Humanity.

Advanced students are seeking to penetrate beyond technique and form, and into the other persons will and understanding his intention and ideas. This procedure springs from the basis of Chinese culture.

Even the Chinese written language emphasis perception of illustration – ideograms, which are characters that represent ideas, which shortcuts words, the strings of letters that the mind use to create sounds, which then transfer into ideas.

It is like the difference between using, your body knowledge, you muscle memory: a feeling to remember instead of the mind translation of events into words, thus limiting the depth and width of memory.

San Soo creates more than muscle memory. If it is practiced correctly, that is pure technique with philosophical, psychological and social ethic discussed before, during and or after mat time the learning piggyback onto the muscle memory to create body knowledge. This knowledge is used to remain in character when being challenged, threatened or seduced. It facilitates thought. When other are threatening us to abandon our character, our self definition, we rely on body knowledge to silence the mind and act according to our consistent behavior. Thus we maintain confidence in our character. The ability to stay true to our selves, not going against ourselves, which is impeccability.

Being impeccable, remaining true to your self under threatening circumstance is doing your best. This is why Jimmy said if you do your best - you never lose. Reaming true to yourself is doing your best. And without competitive thought paradigm, how could you lose even if you were hit more time than you hit the other.

Regardless of the superficial physical loss (yes superficial is correct, because those who have resolutely accepted death as inevitable, realize that the body is superficial and the soul, feeling, spirit is primary).

I know that is above most of your spiritual/maturity pay grade, but you’ll get it someday.

On its highly skilled level, San Soo deals with feeling and patterns, But the ability to refine the use of feelings and patterns in an environment such as the kung fu studio is limited, as the vast variety of variables one need to refine these skill exists not in the studio but in exclusively in the outside world..

Kung fu San Soo is an art of heart (feelings and intentions). It looks at overall patterns to determine whether one should use movement or stillness.

San Soo trains one to act internally which delivers an external response without thought.
It trains you how not to act internally which enables you to be calm. Others cannot bait you into reaction. You are in command and act, on your time. Not react according to the oppositions movements.

Kung fu is about shaping intention.

In practical terms, this means that the highly skilled should be able to read the intention of his opponent in advance. Then he can position himself internally (emotionally) or externally (with motion) accordingly and naturally. This is winning before the fight begins. It can only be learned through years of application to the outside world with the goal of nonviolence, that which violates natural law. There are gory and painful moments that are natural, such as childbirth.

To spend everyday of your life combining your physical, intellectual, technical, psychological, financial, and emotional development leads to being impeccable, unaffected. When one is unaffected, he views opponent’s actions as if the games of children, he is not threatened by them and actually is amused.

The resolute acceptance of death is paramount to reach this level. One must take into his heart, his feeling, that life is momentary, according to the moment.

San Soo well illustrates the moment as its highly skilled practice enables you to conquer the mind and integrate with the moment and all it sight specific variables.

To teach San Soo at this level require a deep understanding of many aspects of the art. One must realize the connection of inside/outside, physical/mental, big/small, fast/slow, many Taoist and Buddhist concepts to have a complete understanding. A complete understanding develops complete humans: those tha can protect, provide and communicate skillfully.

Kung fu is “knowing.” It takes years of knowing to have and see what a complete overall understanding is. Then it is extremely useful in daily situations – outside the KF studio.

You use it to do yourself and the world an immense amount of good by acting to the unnatural and not interfering in the natural movement and events of the world.

Sincerely,

Atnotoos (Against The Noise Of The Out Of Style) AKA Jack V ("V" for spriritual and judicial Victory) Who is this guy??

I guess that means Kenneth's thinking is inferior? Think about it... It sure makes sense to me.

Atnotoos is the craziest motherfucker ever.

Thanks Willard!!!!

Best compliment I have had in a while.

Yeah, Jimmy helped to create some characters.

KF San Soo style is such a vast art and the way Jimmy taught it, with such street sense, made it conducive to using it - as a political, financial and physical weapon. Many guys didn't get that part as they wanted nothing to do with street fighting, (after all he referred to his San Soo style of Choi li ho fut hung (choy li fut) as “Chinese street fighting) leadership or wealth building. Do not forget that Mr. Woo in his early years was a serious street fighter. Now how many other “martial art” teacher can you say that about.

Where I live, if you fight, you do not get put in jail. At least not for very long. And women in Central America have respect. They do not mouth off to men like the little prima donnas do here. And guess why? They are not above being smacked either. No wonder I like the respect level down there. No mouthing off or flipping off like they do here. A man is still a man there. Sorry if I offended the Docker crowd. (go buy your chick a new leather jacket and iron up that pink shirt of yours, you know the one with the little alligator on it.) If you haven’t figured it out by now, Jack relishes being politically incorrect.

Back on subject: To use it to command respect on the street you had to understand the psychology of fighting and to use it to build wealth or lead, you had to have a "Complete understanding." More than a fascination with technique. It needed to be combined with Asian Philosophy.

Any Asian philosophy heads out there?

Huh, I though not.

Back to discussing who will win what tournament on TV tomorrow. Back to the virtual society. At least you got a virtual brush along side crazy Jack for a while. “cause take a good look at this bad guy. You aint gonna see bad guys like him no more.” A real brush with Doctor Jack down south would cause you to turn in them Dockers for a T shirt, sandals and the real deal 21 year old beauty. But “Que sera, sera.” Not the dealdo you guys get out here from the land of female connivers.

Back on subject: San Soo was really meant to be a secret. The only way to get at its core was to ask questions. If you didn’t ask about the philosophical and psychological aspects, you didn’t learn them. It was the same with weapons. If you didn’t show an interest in them, Jimmy didn’t go out of his way to teach you. My favorite weapons are knives and short sticks. Jack don’t spin his weapons, he spins his opponents – in the real world. Hey, spinners are my favorites! 5” 2” 100 pounds, nice ass and legs.

I leave on the first, so I be better shortly. Maybe I will even roust you guys from an Internet cafe a short walk from a secluded star studded beach. Not the stars that twinkle that is! Will he ever stop?

P.S. Fool, Boob and that other guy, don’t tell your mommies you read this.



Sincerely,

Jack Antotoos Vincent.

My impression is that Shenwu prides itself on practicality. With this in mind, if an art is dropped from its curriculum, one would infer that it fails to meet this criteria. I myself do not believe San Soo is "inferior", but in trying to find why it isn't taught there (since inferences, no matter how logical, are not necessarily correct) all I find are vague philophies, no "nuts-and-bolts" reasons.

Jack,

I'm curious, do you even know what the phrase "Kung Fu San Soo" actually means?

Bob#2

Boob,

You go first and then I will correct you.

Kenneth, obviously you have not practiced San Soo. And probably neither has Boob. It is extremely relentless, effective and efficient – prides itself on it. But it is not designed for tournament sport. If you indicate (let alone announce it) your intention to fight, you are not a San Soo practitioner. Period.

It is taught as an art of strategy, a thinking mans art, with a mindset that includes physiological acceptance that you may very will need to maim or kill someone and the practice of vicious technique with brutal follow ups designed to temporarily or permanently incapacitate the opposition and/or eliminate them. (Do you see where I’m going with this – no saves by the tap-out). No refs, rules, announcement, trophies, endorsement contracts all that sports crap.

Nut and Bolts Reason. It is for use in the street. It is not San Soo if it is used for tournament competition. I think Tim would agree?

You could extract technique from it and use them to compete. But you could not say you are a San Soo practitioner. The man who brought it to the US told me exactly that except it was in broken English.

Jimmy would laugh at the ideas of competition. He said that if you were not a child, you were a disgrace to the art to use it for entertainment and/or sports. He likened tournament competition to beauty pageants for men: vain and useless.

Obviously, that is why it is not taught at Tim's place because the true practice of San Soo has to be meshed with fighting (not mimicking fighting and then hugs). The brutal •••• - with pools of blood, crying, screaming, moaning, police, guns, soldiers, ambulances etc, etc, etc.

Ooops sorry, didn't mean to rattle them crocodiles on them shirts.

Balls in your court Boob.... (that is if you got any)

That's is Mr. Jack to you. I know Ive earned it.

Jack's only here for one more day ..Thank God. Better hurry.

Oh ••••,

I forgot something.

San Soo is an art for outlaws and animals. It is probably too uncouth to be taught at Shenwu. Besides, you would guys would have to be like all KFSS artists that use it, you would have to go feral. Once domesticated gone wild.

Now most people know how to go wild. San Soo brings out the ability to release and then contain the primordial fire we all have inside. Thus creating to personalities, the couth and the uncouth. The good the bad the beautiful and the ugly. Split personalities, psycho ehh? Just like your Uncle Jack here. Psycho and ultimately free.

Kung fu is an art of freedom. If you can use it to be free, it and you has served yousef well.

just as I thought. You don't even know the term "Kung Fu San Soo" means.

Jimmy would be very disappointed.

"It is not San Soo if it is used for tournament competition. I think Tim would agree?"

Agreed.

Unless you hit your opponent as he moved to shake your hand.

But I teach that in my school too. Maybe there is more San Soo here than the uninformed imagine.

Jack, not doubting your San Soo knowledge, my question was to the others who were presenting rather vague reasons for it not being included in the Shenwu curriculum, but perhaps they were merely being diplomatic.

Tim,

You rascal you. Teaching them covert San Soo, I love it!

See you still teach San Soo.

"Smile and hit em"

Regards, Jack

Boob,

"Whaaaaaa" And remeber its Mr Jack to you. "Yes sir. may I have another.? Yes sir, may I have another."

You don't want that do you?

Like Curly said "I've craped bigger than you,"

I bet your chick is perpetually disapointed (if you have one).

Have you said one useful thng in all these posts. What are you a San Soo wannabe? You'll have to shead those stretch jeans first.

I'll be thinking about you while I'm greasing the kind tomorrow night (Naw I lied, I won't be thinking about you - take care of that little crockadile - what do you have small man complex?).

Get a life, it's better than a wife.

Hasta la bye-bye