Kenneth,

ShenWu prides itself on being practical AND internal. I'm sure that some elements of Kung Fu San Soo are still present in the ShenWu curriculum and overall philosophy, but since San Soo is not an internal martial art it is not a serious component of the school. Besides, when you already have Xingyi, Bagua, Taiji and BJJ, I think you have pretty well covered everything that San Soo would add anyway.

If you look at the Biography page of this website I think Tim said something like after studying Kung San Soo for twelve years he realized there was a limit to how strong and fast you can become so he wanted to go deeper and started looking for good internal martial arts teachers.

One of my previous styles, Wing Chun, is very practical and I liked it alot, but I don't spend time training it anymore since I am trying to get better at Taiji.

Thanks,
Richard


Kenneth wrote:
"My impression is that Shenwu prides itself on practicality. With this in mind, if an art is dropped from its curriculum, one would infer that it fails to meet this criteria. I myself do not believe San Soo is "inferior", but in trying to find why it isn't taught there (since inferences, no matter how logical, are not necessarily correct) all I find are vague philophies, no "nuts-and-bolts" reasons."

Nice rationalization Richard.

I applaud your effort. However in my never to be humble Dr. Jack opinion you are exactly wrong.

Subtle aint I?

You guys don't practice for the street, period. In San Soo an important part is practicing how to fight but the practice of technique also provides a learning apparatus to discuss when and why to fight. (Tim, remember Jimmy’s talks (philosophy) while a top black was demostrating a lower belt technique).

You people don’t fight. Hey, fighting is ugly, but for the right reason, more people should do it. It would be a better society.

And all those arts mixed together do not cover what Kung Fu San Soo covers (they are components of it, pieces). That is why I say you guys study fighting technique, but you do not study Kung Fu.

A Kung Fu artist is a renaissance man, a life artist (and a death artist). You guys are sports artist. Hey, sports are good. I love watching women’s Volleyball, but let’s not confuse apples and oranges.

None of the arts you mentioned covers San Soo street psychology, character development and physically they do not practice technique in a spontaneous manner, which is why Jimmy called his style of basically Choi Li Fut "Kung Fu / San Soo" Choi Li Fut practiced in a free flowing manner. It does resemble Tai Chi two man spontaneous fighting forms (but few Tai Chi teachers even know of them let alons practice them or teach)

San Soo names the style of application: free form, spontaneous adjustment and adaptation (listening up Boob?). Although there may be elements of this in the arts you mentioned, in this day and age they are not focused upon, emphasized.

Take the fight to the ground on the enemy’s territory and see what happens. San Soo looks at fighting as behavior, not just technique. It puts it in the context of the Street, not the Mat only.

I guess since you don’t know KFSS it is kind of like explaining the ocean to a chick named Dorothy who has never left Kansas.

Ahh, while I’m here got nothing better to do.

Wow, Jack! My nipples are getting hard. Your knowledge of martial arts and gift for writing is incredible. You're the greatest. And that whole Dockers thing is hilarious. Keep posting!

so sad. All those years studying San Soo and never learning what the name means.

and all this time spent on this board yet you still don't know about the street fight experience of any of the shen wu people.
(ask about Matt taking on 2 gang bangers, thwarting a mugging on the streets of hollywood- or Ron, with one backhand, breaking his attackers jaw and splitting his knee cap... or ask about how Shane split up a knife fight last year- or about Roy who got jumped by a punk- top mounted him and beat some manners into him)


have a nice trip back to whereever it is that you go to smack the women around (judging by the inferiority complex that prevades your posts, you'd never dare smack a conscious male),

you've certainly given new insight to the origination point of the phrase "Jack-Off".

News Flash:

A Geriatric "Street Fighter" threw a hissy fit when challenged about street fighting - then resorted to cat calling whilst simultaneously showing an un-nerving interest in garments worn by young men; fit, muscular young men...

I'd like to clarify one point, my students are discouraged from looking for fights. In the last two or three years, several have been involved in street fights, all of them won without getting injured.

They all incapacitated or knocked out their opponents with the same "sport" techniques they spar with every day in class.

And they didn't have to kill anyone.

Hmm
my undeerstanding of KFSS is street fighting free for all or something like that.
I do not have a desire to cultivate biting off ears like Mike Tyson or gauging out eyes, BOB style Tai Chi cutltivate a philosophy of gentleness, and no more no less (Wo Guo Bu Chi).
I have no need to study an art to groin kick, bite, mame or use a glock automatic to shoot clay pidgeons. There is more to my art than fighting, my art is about living in harmony and unless I find myself in a post apocolyptic ancharchy I may never need the FKSS ability to destroy and I hope I never do.
Because I would rather win over than destroy, so I guess I a big fat loser if a KFSS dude came to kill me, I will have to play those odds.
Anyway I would prefer not even to explain myself in this regaurd it is all so futile when the important things are what make the art worth studing
Important life affirming aspects of the universe like Valeries HARD NIPPLES now there is a discussion, any way to get those posted on your profile Val?

You guys do have something to say! Damn near had to beat it out of you guys.

But I’m gonna out say ya – like that competitive mindset Tim? Only when it counts, like while building the minds of men and making Valerie’s nipples hard.


Bob, glad to hear that your comrades are setting some things right in this world. How bout you big boy?

I see you are tired of me picking on you. Thin skin is not the mark of a kung fu man. tis tis…..

Funny though, of all the points I raised most have only chose to respond about the dramtic stuff: Street fighting.

Nobody here has responded to the thrust (Did you get it Val, that one was for you my love) of my last few posts. KFSS is for the street and has to be practiced with a street fighting mindset.

You guys chose to hear what you want to hear, all the bombastic stuff I use to get you attention.

Hey Bobster, What you jealous that I'm goin home and your chick is handing you your Rocky Mountain oysters on a plate, and smiling while you gulp em down like the mucus you post. New name: JB (jealous Bob)

I am dropping Boob, after Valerie’s nipples crack. I have a newfound Republican respect for "breasts" (was that OC enough for you? Last time I lived in OC you couldn’t even find Rye, Squash or Pumpernickel it all came in the white package with the balloons on it.

No Wonder (or any wonder or it was Wonder, bread that is)

Anyways Valerie knows I am wonderful. (Boy its early and I need some coffee as this is all to beautiful, just like Itchycoo park.)That joke was for the geriatric set like your old uncle Jack, swaggering down the street with chicks my age, three 18 year olds equals 54 does it not, well then?

Tim encourage them to fight --- for the right reasons: liberation of oppression and protection of your self and others.

Yeah, I'm sure your techniques work more than fine. You are a master technician and I grove on technicians. Sword and knife makers especially.

Die Die Die that is all you guys see in these posts,

Kill Kill Kill, same thing. You miss the gist. It’s about why and when, not just about how. It’s about walking into a room and having your smiling presences drawing people to you. It is about Awareness, Character and Vision.

Jesus, "Is there a Buddha in the house?"

If you had a Buddha in your heart you’d have one in your house. And you would love what is exactly how it is. Right gentleman and Valerie (just keep twisten and flicken girl) Are they real sensitive? Hey I had this black chick once from Columbia and she ..... Ooops, sorry Val I thought we were alone for a second.

Take that good stuff that you have learned and walk were they tell you not to.

Oh Village person, is your ass as cute as you post? Is village person one of the village people? Hey I know tatted-out, neo-Nazi who frequents a casino in Rome that would match up real well with you. Do you maintain your genital hygiene?

Use Summer Eve Fresh Scent or I think he said he prefers Lavender Mist. Whateve, I'll hook you up and you guys can discuss it.

Tim, Tim, Tim, see you are taking offense to your dear demented brother Jack. You know those techniques will work, but, can the people that know them, use there studio experience to develop character and confidence, can they use their education to know themselves. Can they be walking ambassadors of kung fu, impresarios of life.

Can they use it to have the courage to walk away from the treadmill and live? In other words be free. Which is what the theme of a complete kung fu education is about... Being Free. Not being afraid to first discover who you are and then (second) be that person. Round peg round whole theory - Village dude I am sure you got that, literally.

One last thing, Tai Chi Bob, do you think I'd spare you after that tree hugging dribble you wrote and had the gall to post.

"I hope I never do" It’s that kind of "hope" that enslaves people, I hope I'll get a better job, I hope my girl friend likes me. Hope is for dopes. Prepare yourself man. Marshall your pride and “hope” that you get a chance to right a wrong.

"I would prefer not even to explain myself" - Then why are you?

Cause your old Uncle Jack has gotten you to participate in a little self examination. Did you find a weakness? Improve it. If you are stuck on soft and weak, develop hard and aggressive.

What makes the art worth studying?

Camaraderie, the power of knowing from your heat, and the ability to feel deeply. It is this last quality that will take you were you should be and liberate you from self imposed boxes you may be in. Because if you feel deeply and have the confidence and character to act on your feelings, you will escape from your predicament and/or build upon the foundation of a new way or life.

Got it Sir philosophical gentleness? (excuse me I need to watch some David Caradine reruns, where’s the Alka Selzer?)

You guys know I love you.

Hey, I’m your Uncle Jack (to the rescue)

I'm going to miss you Jack.

Don't they have computers south of the border?

Tim,

You are very clever. I dare to say you were listening in class, maybe even as closley as I was.

Smart guys can afford to be clever, it is the ones that do not know themselves (therfore do not know their limitations)that should stay away from stealth moves, as they tend to blow up in their faces.

You just want me back so Valerie will keep postin.

Ah she needs a good spankin anyways, and Uncie Jack just the man to manhandle her, in an oh so politicaly correct way. Or should I say "Properly."

Funny how them gals respond to a good ...... Changes their whole attitude.

Valerie,

Will you give birth to my babies in a tide pool on a remaote tropical beach while I wisper in your ear promises of eternal faithfulness and to die in your arms after that one last breathless kiss....

(Got get while the gettins good!)

As long as you promise to go down on me, while I'm on my period.

Val is my favoritest poster ever.

I dont know Karate, but I got a black belt in KARAZY!

what a jack-ass!

Richard, thanks for your reply, the way you explain it makes sense.

Uncle Jack MeOFF
My HOPE was for your benefit, not mine
my preference is for the benefit of the boring board you harange your tangents on it a vain atempt at entertaining the computer nerds with your street fighter macho bravadoism.
I would like to see you milk a coconut bigger than your head to feed Val's love child in that tropical island
before the love child send you the same hate mail the rest of us do

Oh yeah Jack
"You guys know I love you."

Easy to say-
but are you willing to prove it?

Village people is waitng for an answer...

Tai,

Hit a nerve, spewing venon are we?

Hug a tree and hope for a miracle. Then unruffle your panties a bit, cinched to tight or in a knot is not good for your menstruation cycle.

Val, my kind a girl. OK Val your on, one condition however, you have to have a 2 week old yeast infection.

Tai - hey lay off village, he's my mark, what he ever say to you? Or is this an attempt at humor or love?

Who is Val anyways? Is she one of the choir?

Kenneth,

Sure it makes sense from somebody that knows nothing about San Soo. Why don't you ask him about how to dock a submarine while your at it.

Or better yet ask Tai Chi Bob Hope! And then Hope for an answer!

Jack, sure did enjoy your wit and wisdom. Pretty rare around these parts, as you can see. I look forward to the next time we hear from you. You would do very well writing a book. It's been a pleasure.