Boob,

Trying to demonstrate some actual character? Ever heard of Leonard Cohen? He was famous for his whiney "beautiful loser" mentality.

I think you have listened to too much Bob Seager. Losers are losers. Abusers are abusers and losers. Hence the quality of your posts.

Although I will give you one thing, (besides a bad case of herpies), what you say about Martial arts is true. It has changed. But then I don't give much of a rat’s ass about sports.

If this was a basketball game you guys would be the "winners" (oh boy!) because you sure know how to dribble.

So, go for the competitive sports stuff. You deserve it. Leave real world life to those who love action and the intensity of things greater than sports.

Essence of ancient and authentic Kung Fu remains steeped in its depth and completeness - anybody who studies only technique will never understand and remains incomplete. Many students studied with Jimmy for years and still never “got it.”

Completeness is the key.


Stoog-o

Anybody who really wants to learn how to fight - fights on the street. Don't fool yourself. You won't find the same variables on the matt as you will on the street. You live vicariously. Go do something with your life. You are a sad wana-be.

But again you guys like to fool yourself into thinking yu are real life fighters. Fighters fight for something greater than trophies and recognition. Wanna be celebrities is what you are...

I like that "if you ever get into a fight." That speaks for itself.

Edward -

Post your picture. That sight was lame.


Finally to App.

Well my boy, let this be a lesson to you. These posts have been like the O'Riley / Letterman interview.

O'Riely moves into Lettermans territory and makes valid points, while Letterman attacks the man, unable to defend against his well-made points.

You already get the point that if you get deep into the pattern of hand-to-hand technique you see that it is a learning apparatus highly applicable to out-side-the-studio, off the mat, encounters (physical and social.)

Let these slap-themselves on the ass sports fanatics continue their one demensional ways.

Remember to see the pattern.

Start in the learning aspect.

Enter into the practice level and then proceed into the performance mode. When you are performing, use only feeling.

The key is awareness. Awareness is the first steep to transformation. The ability to change. (That is what the Quire intellectually understands, but cannot heart fully accept, thus they remained anchored in competition and mired in on-the-mat functionality - only).

Awareness, acceptance, self-adjustment then adaptation leads to transformation.

Jimmy taught me that.

App, take it to the bank and then take it to your grave, I have and I will.

Heading down south now boys and girls.

Be good and wipe.

The "indomitable and abominable" Uncie J

P S You know I love you! Check’s in the mail and I won't cum in your mouth.

Toodles

Edward Hines
I can't tell you if it is relevent or pointless- because I really can't undrstand what it means?

Apprentice-
Thank you sooo much if I can get my Camador 64 or Apple 2E to download it- I have spliced into my neighbors high speed. The money I save on music I'll beable to get a wirless connect card and hack into high fi all over the trailer park.

Jack:
There will always be a disconnect between sport and reality with martial arts, as long as we all understand that I believe our vunerabilitys may still be grounded with truth.
However using techniques that get my martial arts brothers and sisters to seriously mame or injure themselves in training does not leave many sparring partners to play and practice with tomarrow.
We can't all be mercinaries in Iraq or Central America.
And your right there are sport & philosohical and maybe spiritual aspects to Kung Fu- as well as real life applications.
And for me on any one day- any one of those aspect may be the attraction or emphasis that bring me joy and bring me back for more- and if I ever think I have gotten everything out of Kung Fu then that will probally be the day I quit.

no prob Bob#3 just be sure to ask me if your trailer trash mind is unable to figure out how to transfer the music out of limewire into windows media player.
and Jack thanks for the advice and have a blast down south, hook up with some hot chicks for me
lol
ttfn
apprentice

If that was really TCB - I amazed.

First post that is sane.

Are you sober?

P S The connection between sport and combat has always been a disservice to those sportsmen who engage in combat, that is after you have learned technique.

In other words, sports can help in technique, but the mindset hinders the reality of the street. Mindset of acceptance that you might have to kill or maim and the philosophical excellence that allow you to finish the job before you have started plus the technical training of body movement should not be separated.

Sports separate them.

Thus leaving the practitioner incomplete.

I am drunk with LOVE and passion for Gretchen Wilson it has made me a changed man.
Next week I may even change my skivys.

"I can't tell you if it is relevent or pointless- because I really can't undrstand what it means?"

And yet you didn't think to ask. Curious.

yes Buddy and that is because I never think, why would I, it does't seem to have done you any good.

But as long as your asserting your thoughts, please tell me what does it mean?

the real combat sports like MMA is the closest
you will ever get to the real thing.plus you are fighting trained warrior,unlike the drugged up
idiots you can fight in a street.
Jack if you think that your kung fu crap you do
between "friends reruns" will give you the killer instinct,you're hallucinating!
i'm ready to bet that a big mouth pussy ass like you,never even been in a real street fight.if so,
you would of stop doing kung fu a long time ago.
and maybe you should respect the martial artists
that have enough balls to get in a cage and test there skills on real fighters,unlike you that think you can fight because your eagle claw,
monkey style BS works on your grand ma and your
sister,doesn't mean it would work in real situations.
keep on dreaming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I did it doggy style with granma and it worked now I'm my own grandfather

Bold talk from a one eyed fat boy, Bobby. But you already have a teacher, ask him son. I don't teach kids.

Duncest,

"Closest thing you will get to the real thing"

You mean like you and your blow up doll?

A little angry because your feel threatened?

You make my point.

Nothing but MA technique build incomplete people.

Angry people, bullies or those who dream of street fighting but are afraid to deal with the consequences of the real thing. Did I say afraid, I meant scared.

Is that you Duncest and your "protected by the ref "crutch?"

Also, like you, they have no character; mostly low to middle class bores who think that competing to see who is "prettiest" is cool.

Duncest, you are the perfect example of all the above.

Also, they use the anger card as last resort.

Kid punked you too. You are fried choir my friend. Next time ask him to bring the Vaseline, or your personal lubricant of choice, maybe you won't whine so much. Grunt and take it like the girlyman you are.


Sports have their place. They are like TV and news media; they placate the "non-thinkers". They keep the status quo by miring dunces in entertainment. They are an arm of control. Keep on paying your taxes. See you in Iraq! Have some more beer and potato chips my man. Ugh… me trog, stronger and prettier, fart louder too! What to play fight?

Another nothing-to say chump. At least TCB has some sense of humor and a little content (very little).

Get laid will ya,

Love Jackie

How is san soo training closer to the "real thing" when there is no non-cooperative full contact sparring.

For those who have been following this thread and have never seen Kungfu San Soo, or are not familiar with MMA training, here's a brief description of each.

Kungfu San Soo training involves learning and practicing set techniques cooperatively, and a "free style" type of training in which one partner attacks the other at random (usually with a single punch or kick) and then passively reacts as the partner applies his technique. There is no resistance to the technique when applied, no forceful contact and no non-cooperative sparring. San Soo training places an emphasis on "the element of surprise," (preemptive, unexpected attack), there is no training for when an opponent has his hands up in an on guard position, no training for clinch fighting or for groundfighting (although follow up techniques are taught for a downed opponent). This is the way the Grandmaster taught the art, and the traditional method of practice (along with forms).

Combat sports and mixed martial arts include cooperative technique training as well, but a majority of the time is spent drilling strikes full contact (with pads, and against resisting partners that are padded up) and wrestling/grappling against fully resisting non-cooperative opponents. Non-cooperative, contact sparring is the primary method of training. MMA also place a heavy emphasis on conditioning exercises, while set forms are not taught. The majority of styles that emphasize realistic combat sports competition will also teach students basic strategies against common street situations, including how to deal with weapons attacks (although the focus will usually primarily be against unarmed opponents).

BUDDY
Look at my photo I'm not fat. I have never said I was fat. Yet you Make this huge assumption with no information to base it on-CURIOUS

and my teacher teaches BOB Style Tai Chi not cyber-net Phsycology- yet you project your know it all persona on to my teacher-CURIOUS
I know I'm a low life bastard but what I didn;t know is that you think I'm your son- I guess your curiosity has made you accustom to lovin' $10 whores in the back of abondoned ols Desotos

Anyway enough of the bull

Koojo and Tim have brought this thread back into focus so I am gunna let it keep.

so jack vagina,
MMA fighter look pretty like you say because they train hard,get lean and build muscles.
something you might not know from doing forms all
day long.
when the ref stop a fight they're already
fucked.
and like i said before,you never been in a real fight in your life.

Bob,
I don't care about you at all. I don't care if you're fat or not. It was a quote from "True Grit". You didn't get it, that's fine. I didn't expect you to. My point was if you didn't get Ed's point all you had to do was ask. But you're too busy listening to your own voice. That's fine too. The rest of your rant is non-sequiter and typical internet-spew. I'll leave you to it. As you say, Tim has brought the thread back. Cheers.

To whom it may concern,

I’ll give it to you straight with out the entertainment (ala Tim) –

San Soo training is not “closer to the real thing.”

There is only one real thing and to know the real thing you must participate in it. Close only counts in horseshoes.

As I said before "acting and knowing are one in the same."

Mimicking fighting is helpful.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Find some wrong and correct it. If they cannot be corrected as you think, fight for it. Go to jail for it.

Like those Nation of Islam members did by going into one of the too many liquor stores in poor black areas and trashed it. They ransacked the place. Didn't steal any thing, they Stood-Up for their neighborhood and made the point even if the big bad Man came to take them away. These people are true patriots and community leaders. They are not Scared to make a difference n their community. They are using their protection techniques to make a difference. That takes more balls then entering any chain link cage with an opponent and safety net. Those people flew with no net. Get it Marc Dunces (sorry couldn’t resist).

The wrong was a proliferation of liquor (the last legal drug) in black neighborhoods. The stores had licenses; they had the “Man” on their side.

The Islam dudes said “Hell with the man and the drug sales (liquor) that is polluting the youth. Vandalize them, drive em out.”

That is a real world victory. That is significant.

Instead of talking about what right and wrong and fighting to correct it, most people lacking courage would rather compete in sports. Placated by the system (the media and schools).

No wonder there are no leaders. Stand-up. No one stands up anymore. Instead of fighting for what you think is right, you Sport comp people box or compete for the prize. You have the tools; use them for a significant purpose.


Tim did not get this thread back on track. He clarified the difference in his usual thorough and antiseptic way.

The thread was never the Technical deference between KFSS and MA. It is the real life difference. One is for fighting in the streets and the other is for play, or recreation (sports).

*** The thread is San Soo. San Soo teaches fighting technique and gears its students to take to the street and use it for the real thing (not close to it) and for the right reason. ***

I bet there have been more San Soo street fighters in the areas it has been taught (O. C. and L.A. Co) than any other martial arts network produced.

You people are not taught the confidence, courage (real stand up courage - not saved by the ref and win a trophy - sports crap) and character to defend what is right and defy what is wrong. Thus, your actions remain Insignificant and so does your MA. And maybe so do you, unless you are a parent.

There is an element of community protection and patriotism here.

That is one of the ways ancient authentic kung fu translates to action off the mat.

Use what you know to better yourself and everything around you (ever hear that one Tim?). If not, you education is insignificant also.

Life is Significant,

Sports are Insignificant / they are play.

That’s the thread - because that’s the difference between San Soo and martial arts.

Jimmy H. Woo always taught that the most significant part of KF was not the technique, it was what you did with it.

Pulling the fighting technique out of Kung Fu and comparing it to other fighting technique is still only talking about fighting technique. Why don’t you people talk about real fighting. That is what fighting technique was designed for (what a revelation Jack!). It wasn’t designed for sports. How about talking about why to fight: When to fight and when to do nothing and then enter the real world, off the mat, and use it.

The building of confidence and character, theses assets produce courage – the courage to make a difference, not win a trophy.

Can anyone reply to this or is back on the Jack Bash wagon?

I didn’t think so….

It's about time them Islam dudes said "to hell with these punks knockin' up these girls and not stickin around to teach them how to be men, purpetuating thugs, gangs and negative sterotypes and producing an army of negative, stupid, angry people."

Jack v. You are right as always. For destroying liquor stores, san soo is the best! Especially since liquor stores (inanimate objects) don't fight back. However, if the Nation of Islam members wanted to drive out the drug dealers, they would be better served by learning Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or mixed martial arts. Jack, I respecfully disagree with you on one point. I think all martial arts produce confidence and courage. My eight year old nephew takes tae kwon do (or is it take my doe) and is confident that he can kick my ass. He doesn't try because he likes me. Confidence is only good if there is ability behind it. Making the world a better place and all that is great. Doing the right thing is great. I'm all for it. If san soo teaches that, then good. Many people learn that stuff from parents, churches, sociology classes, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, friends, etc. I'm sure the Nation of Islam "trashed" the liquor stores not because of san soo but because of convictions from Islam. I rather go to a martial arts class that teaches good technique and application by sparring non cooperatively. I don't need martial arts to teach me about doing good. San Soo would be good if trained non cooperatively. Until then, san soo sucks.

wow, James, you certainly need that giant head to house that brain.