Nah, its mostly bone and air.

As usual you skirt the point (you know like in womens skirt) but at least you gave it a shot.

"Many people learn that stuff from parents, churches, sociology classes, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, friends, etc."

If you do not know the teaching of authentic KFSS, how can you say people learn it from the above. The reality is they do not. They learn self definition from them, they do not learn an authtic and ancient metod of developing ones self definition.

There are few sources for acquiering this kind of confidence and character and the above sources you mentioned do not teach it with an invaluable element - protection technique.

The klung fu culture and the confidence it produces are a combination of philosphical and sociological Asian accutrements taught in combination with protection technique.

The social learning occurs on the mat and it is the litteral combination of movement and thought (concept) the bind the character (social message) into one's muscle memory.

I am sure this is above your intellectual pay grade, but try and move up a notch on the pay scale and see if you can grasp the unique learning appartus that the authentic kug fu studio is.

It integrates emotion and motion, with a guide (so to speak) so one has the protection ability to back up his self-definition, which can be taught by the souces you mentioned. How ever self definition is an all important aspect of ones life, and I would not suggest acquiering it from just anywhere.

You are so concerned with your "rightness" that you are letting a tremendous asset pass under your nose. The opportunity to build courage.

And by the way do not confuse cockiness with confidence.

Your nephew THINKS he can kick your ass.

I KNOW I can.

Thinking and knowing are vastly differnt.


Nice try, you are getting beter at some actual content (al be it minor league). Better luck next time sucka,

In lovining memory,

Uncie J

P S How have you used your MA outside the studio to affect change?

what changes have you made to the world Jack ASS?
except your pants after piss yourself!
what cause do you fight for?
gay marriage?
if you are the exemple of character that KF
builds,then i'll pass.
you keep talking but there is still no meaning
coming out of your cock hole.
jack if i want to hear a ass talk i'll just
fart!!!!!!!!!

p.s still sound to me that your kung fu's
never been use for real.

This is an interesting thread. I have no background in KFSS, however Tim has always spoke extremely highly of Jimmy Woo and the people that he trained with in the art.

What I've experienced is something different from Jack with regards to this statement:

"Instead of talking about what right and wrong and fighting to correct it, most people lacking courage would rather compete in sports. Placated by the system (the media and schools)."

Many of the people that have competed in competitive sports, and this includes combative sports, have exhibited courage and step up. Grant you, the media as Jack points out will always isolate the "bad apple" that steps outside the bounds of the social norm, however the majority when confronted take on the challenge.

What I also have witnessed is the combat sports community will also be one of the first ones to state that there is no absolutes in the correct way to fight, especially when asked about a street/real world situation. However, because of their confrontational way of training on opponents that are non-cooperative, it is my opinion that they are helping themselves in a stressful situation and training both physically and mentally in that manner.

People who don't train in that manner, usually state that their techniques are so dangerous that they can make chickens explode or it is too dangerous to practice on people.

Jack, I believe you have gotten a lot out of your study, however because of the way you try to articulate you views you sometimes come across as a gadfly. But, I gather you already know that and you like the banter.

The universe is indifferent. We play a cruel joke on ourselves often times.

good training,
Joe

hmmmmmmmm so much anger,
jack your words of wisdom seem to be lost on some of these nimcompoops
well at least I understand unlike koojo who seems to have a one track mind and duncy who seems to be lashing out because he is afraid to admit his own homesexuality
but seriously duncers, why don't you calm down and re-read some of jacks posts.
sometimes he sounds a bit sick to say couldn't you agree?
well guess what, you need to be a sadistic son a of a bitch to actually hurt someone, you need to be able to beat the living •••• out of him and jump on top of him and start gangsta beating him.
You need to literally be crazy, have that crazed look right after you get up from pounding his nose into his brain and you'll have his blood dripping from your hands, it's also gonna be splattered all over your body and face.
You only know this stuff from expereince, if you do not know then don't talk crap about Jack, he knows cause he's lived it. Have you?

-anyway back to the whole media thing about what you said Joe B;
if you think about it the media does three things,it tells you what to think, like, and how to dress.
but it does give you options
for example, many teens in this day and age are being brought up to either hate the gov., or to vote and get out there.
another example, we are given a vast variety of music to listen to such as rock, couontry, rap and whatever you want but these choices still can affect us in many ways
for example country will usually put you in a good mood and sometimes be more patriotic and religious
rap will usually put you in a so-so mood and make you hate the gov i.e. mosh by eminem
rock you usually (at least me) make you extrememly hyper but the type of rock you listen to can affect you more, now heavy metal and hard rock can sometimes put you in "i hate the world" type of mood while "softer" rock can make you happy but can still affect your mood in a negative way.
now this is just music and i have barely tapped into it
now think about the video games and television
do you think it is odd how there are so many facets of the media that in certain cases being bad is good but then in another case being good is bad??????????
now i prett much covered what to think and like with music but what about your clothes?
well simple go to any mall in the united states and just watch.
watch stores like Abercrombie&Fitch, American Eagle, Aeropostle, Hot Topic, and Spencers.
the preps will go into the first three stores and the goths will go into the other two. Look out for the wandering prep that mistakinly goes into Hot Topic or Spencers and then look at his face when they come out.
Now if you don't know how to spot a prep, look for a teen that wears nice clothes (polos, khakis, ripped jeans whatever) After this then just watch MTV. See shows like laguna beach, those are the preps, these kids are pretty much what all of my generation wants to be the others are the ones who wear the black pants with all the chains and belts on them.
those are the kind of kids i laugh at while wearing my khaki pants and polos
now granted i dress like a prep, i really couldn't care less about being laguna
yeah we're all brainwashed, at least some of us know it
but i do gotta say that i commend jack for NOT excepting it ad going against the grain for which it seems that so many of us today are so afraid to do
ttfn
apprentice

Apprentice,

Tell everyone what "ttfn" means and where you learned it.

It seems like you and Jack (and all the other names you both post under) are convinced that everyone on this discussion board are "nimcompoops". Which makes me ask-why do you spend so much time on a board full of nimcompoops?

Shane

Jack,

You said: "The klung fu culture and the confidence it produces are a combination of philosphical and sociological Asian accutrements taught in combination with protection technique."

I lived and trained in Asia for a long time. I've read the majority of the Chinese philosophical classics in the original. All great stuff.

But believe me, Asians haven't cornered the market on practical philosophical thought, or techniques of self protection.

People can acquire confidence and character with sustained self-discipline in any endeavor they consider to be worthwhile, even if they never once entered a strip mall martial arts school (including mine).

duh it means ta ta for now shane u should know that
i always say that cause no one else my age says that and it is therefore unique well not really but it's cool
and it's from winnie the pooh duhhhh
i only know it cause i gotta five y/o sister that watches winnie the pooh otherwise i'd be clueless
and shane i think u already knew this right?
why else would u ask

but why do i still talk to guys?
it's fun playing a game of cat and mouse!
fun being the puppeteer!
watch the posts, see what we do to you guys
jack sets u up, then i say something, u guys blow up and completely make his point
aren't u guys smart
lmfao
ttfn
apprentice
ps- nice try shane

Jack V, how do you know that you can kick my ass? Have you ever met me or seen me fight? Why do you presume that people cannot gain courage and self definition by other means besides KFSS? Apprentice, maybe you are the one being "set up".

By the way, I've never used MA outside the studio to affect change. Usually, I talk to people, vote, occassionally write my congressmen, or post messages to affect change. I'm not big into vandalizing liquor stores or such.

I wonder how long it'll be before Jack and Tigger launch another wackadoodle response.

I can't wait.

I can't wait.


Bob#2

read more carefully there
ttfn
apprentice

Duncest or is that densest, between you and Stewie I can't figure out which is best; organic stupidity or chronic imbalance.

Joe,

Good post, let me see were you a qurielet or an Unreigestered? Ahh, an unregistered I see. Figures. Quirelets cannot get over their preferences because they do them so well and Fathoming a combination of philosophy with (Asian philosophy or otherwise (happy Tim) and physical workout may just be something that produce uncommon results. Tim what did you have in mind, Scientology?

Oh yeah Tim, I reread one of my posts (I love re reading the crap I write) and it seems as if I implied your education was a waste - or insignificant?

Not my intention there. A fellow scribe who hosts the website and by the way one who I do not consider a “Quirelet” has proven himself worthy, and I also have the feeling that the confidence and character thing rubbed off on you. I think you are a closet San Soo guy deep down in those quiet moments... well you know the drill. (that is a joke from another post - guess you had to be there).

Back to Joe -

Exactly what challenge are you talking about? Sounds a little vague there buddy.

The challenge to sabotage photo enforcement equipment?

Or the challenge to tell some kid to stand up and give an elder the seat?

Or the challenge not to enter the armed forces and surrender your career as a heavy weight champion of the world. There is a man who never studied kung fu however his practice of protection techniques combined and studied concurrently with spiritual study gave him the confidence in character to stand up. Perhaps the greatest of all modern day rebels. He was also a little confident and playful, like the Jackster. I gave one of my kids “Ali” as a middle name. She’s also part black. Yes, Jack does jigaboo. I have earned my lips niggas.

Mostly, he was an entertainer but at least one with soul. What Friday night cage guys even come close to him?

So Joe give me an example of standing up.

Gadfly is cool. I like to banter too.

Some good content there Joey - except the open mindedness stuff, in my never to be humble opinion, does not fly in most MA schools. They are almost all closed minded. That is one of the reason I post here. Tim’s well-rounded education seem to speak of open mindedness? Let's see. Although I guess he didn’t like the strip mall martial arts crack, that wasn’t even meant to be derogatory. I learned in a strip mall too (technically) although El Monte means the mountain in Spanish and Taoist are enamored by mountains I took my training ground to be on a metaphoric plane.

App,

Sick is an understatement, I an actually twisted. Although I am well ... me, and a marvelous me at that. The one whom I love immensely, intensely and insanely, it has not been easy (take one look at my nose and partial bridge for front teeth). Although, I got hit a lot, I stood up any ways. Being hit aint so bad. Pussing out or not standing up is worse.

You guys look at the prize. You do not understand that a run that inspires people and lets you know you are well alive is better than the prize.

That is were most are deficient in character. I call them the paycheck to paycheck type. Living lives of quiet desperation. Afraid to lose, therefore unable to win. Rock and a hard place kind of stuff.

Shane,

Not everyone, just the closed minded treadmill types.

Oh yeah Tim, nit pick me for the Asian stuff, but of all the valid points I've made, I can't recall you validating any. Are you apathetic? Or just playing the roaming eye in the sky aloof thing.

Overall, you have been marginally skeptical or at least edgy with my sporadic gruff communiqués.

Where was I?

Stewie,

Do you mean have I ever seen you play fight? No. Don't care to. I seen enough people degrade themselves in a ring, cage etc (at least Ali redeemed himself in a big way).

Oh, I never said you cannot gain confidence, courage and character by any other means but San Soo (nice try - you too Tim). My point is you guys are wasting a great opportunity to gain, build or enhance your self definition by discussing character issues, leadership opportunities or just plain common sense what-to-do in this or that social event stuff as a part of your training. I think your defensiveness has created this "there is no other way but San Soo" mentality you accuse me of exuding.


Stewie, (once again)

I cannot lose. Never have and never will. I do nothing but my best therefore I always win.

You have never used your martial arts outside the studio because your MA education consists of tecnique only.

What are you that dense?

It's the point I have been making the entire thread. I think nincapoop fits here.

Please post something sane so I can call you by your real name. You are regressing into the Duncet emotional trap. Duncie you change the method of your birth control lately, that estrogen curve can make one suicidal you know. Careful now.

Call my congressmen is a civil little OC way of slithering to change. Just enough to claim you did something... Yeah right. Typical.

Post messages to affect change...Hmmm, sounds like someone I know. Het Koojie stew, you aren’t really Jack now are you? Trying to ride my ambition?

You aint never gonna be the one and only Jackster. They broke the mold on that ruthless and malicious SOB.

Seen ya, the Marque de Jacked ya! Or better known to the Quire as Don Diego de la Vaega. Vamos.

Yes Buddy you are an incredible ass.
The question mark at the end of my original (adressed to Ed Heins) post - Tells you I am asking Idiot
And if you want to quote a movie of something- Thats what quotation marks are for. and a refrerance to the quote is the usuall convention. That way everybody can get the joke. Not just the self appreiciating prick that is too self centered to realize that when you having fun with somebody more than yourself gets the joke.
I would preffer sending this in a e-mail to your account but you are to stupid or preffer shotting arrows from the dark and do not want to register so I am spoiling the thread.
Because you are unwilling or unable to make yourself avalible (via profile or E-mail) outside of this thread I created a little something offsite off of the thread to communicate my sentiment.
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html
I wont confuse you with all the technical detail because I realize an imbicile like you is too simple to understand) Just know I have created and dedicated in your honor.
Buddy you are a dispicable discrace to the human race and I for one am pleased you do not teach children.

buddy you better watch out, first they insult you, then your family, and then your genitals

look at some of my previous posts
lol
ttfn
apprentice

bob#3 saw the site
how old r u again????
you seriously teach????
what a waste of my time
ttfn
apprentice

Jack,

Thank you for the response.
I'm unregistered because the message board (Tim, you can help me out with this too please) will not permit me to register with my real name. It appears that there is another "Joe B" already registered.

Most guys on the board know me, so I didn't think that it was of significance to actually register. I have nothing to hide. I'm comfortable in this bag of skin I wear.

Words are vague. They hold no value. It is only up to the person listening/reading that chooses to be effected or not be effected based upon their own experiences and mindset. As you and I know, this is where the rubber hits the road and most people just don't realize that they have choices or if they do, they take the easy way out.

The universe is truly indifferent. There is no good or bad, right or wrong. One can rationalize anything.

Concrete examples, you give excellent ones. My personal observations are small and insignificant by comparison. However, they do exist. A please and thank you sometimes go a long way.

good training,
Joe

Appentice:
That site is for Buddy-
I clearly stated that
It was only place on the board because he (like you) left no other contact information.
-CURIOUS
Another thing the gag is funny (unlike you)
It is too complex to be childish (again unlike you)

Again "Bob",
I don't care if you got the joke. Sorry if I didn't dumb it down enough for your tiny mind. I'm not going to get into a battle of the wits with you when you are clearly unarmed. And I'm not hard to find. You just didn't bother to look.
And it's spelled prefer but "I wont confuse you with all the technical detail because I realize an imbicile like you is too simple to understand)". You'll pardon me if I did not bother to look at your internet-fu, I'm sure it was the best you could do.

apprentice & jack V •••• off.