Real Vs. Sport?
A good question, well I went to a paintball tounament and it was just sport. All those tactics are impeded on by the rules. In real life we know the are no rules in love (I love Grethchen Wilson) and warfare.
So those long hours of playing and building tactics are just nonsense Paintballers never get the deeper levels of the art of warfare becase they don't put their life on the line.
Only those guys in Afganistan and Iraq the ones that are dooing the real fighting and leaning there Black Belts in Marine Corps Kung Fu they understand the Taoist mystisism, the Busido code, the whimsical tounge and cheek of tasting the vinegar of life.
All those paintball guys are phonies they belive that all those silly tactics use in sport would really work in real life- like those techniques would work if they really had to clear a room, or advance on a combat town.
Now the ones that really understand sacrafice for their belifs are those suicide bombers they know what commitment and discipline is they give everything to win.

Ta-Ta For Now
or Tough Titties Feel Nasty
True Troopers Fight Nobely

Hello Duke,

Welcome to the board. I think most of us would agree that there is more to martial arts practice than simply learning technique. But the bottom line criteria for me and most of my students (I can't speak for many of the posters here, since most don't train with me) is do the techniques taught really work, and can you train so that you can realistically apply them. Going into a fight with theoretically deadly techniques "hoping" you can apply them for real is a shaky foundation for confidence. And so, we "discuss."

I don't believe anyone posting here "hates" Jack. I certainly believe they like arguing with him though. Jack is a colorful character with strong opinions and a lot to say. People like that will always attract critical responses.


Apprentice,

I don't know why you can't register either.

I'll have to ask one of my more computer literate friends.

TTFN
Tim's Team Fears Nothing

Nobody I know "hates" Jack
I have one of his antenna balls on my car

Tim,

If there is more to martial arts practice than simply learning technique. What is it and how do you teach it?

Do people like jack always recive critical response because they they are colorful characters. Is the response personal or they disagreing with what he says. It seems personal on bith sides, but mostly his detractors.

It seems as though there has been little response to his "content" and an overwhelming response to his brash character - as he says
"jack bashing."

He seems like a mercinary. But the content is insightful and he is humerous, but his message from what I can gather seems genuine and his knowledge authentic.

I'll ask my neighbor to join in too. Thanks, Duke




Respectfully Duke

Tai Chi Bob, excellent point.

Duke, to address your questions, I personally have nothing against Jack. I have never wrote anything derogatory about him even though he has resorted to attacking me personally (stoogo, moron, etc.). I have a different view of martial arts than he does. He seems to infuse mysticism and self definition into (and from) Kung Fu. He believes that the techniques he practices and the way he trains can lead to greater self realization and elevation of character. It is like a religious experience. I do not believe in this view of martial arts. I practice martial arts to learn self defense techniques, to get a physical workout, and have fun. I believe it is essential to include non-cooperative sparring because in the real world, your opponent will not be cooperating with your moves. I have self confidence because I can see that the techniques that I use will work against a non-cooperative opponent. In San Soo practiced by most people, there is no non-cooperative training, because they say their techniques are too deadly and it is unrealistic to use gloves, headgear, and other padding. What is more unrealistic, using gloves or to have your training partner cooperate with your moves. If Jack gets more out of his martial arts than I do, great for him. If he can bring about social changes, great for him; however, the examples he gives of people acting for social changes have never done san soo that we know of. He has never once given an example of a san soo practitioner that has done one of the great things that he describes.

The greatest thing anyone can do (martial artist or not) is to donate time to a charity. Or to support the economy by drinking lots of beer or coffee. Or both.
These things will bring about great social change. Especially if done together. I suggest drinking alot of beer, then a lot of coffee, and then helping habitat for humanity build a house for poor people. Then drink some more beer and coffee. If you get a headache from all this, that is when you bring the MA side in. Have a friend knock you out or choke you out (drink lots of water and gatoraid first).
You should be fine when you wake up.
I try to do this 3 or 4 times a year. Very rewarding.

This will mean something to San Soo people and those who wish to understand Jack a little better.

James, this is Dukes neighbor. I used to be referred to as “disturbed.” I have been in San Soo for many years. I have been in a lot of fights, I'm not proud of it but it’s the truth - none of them in a ring, hung around Temple City and El Monte and south Whittier. Tim you probably know who I am. Most who spent time in Jimmy’s studio were shall we say aware of me. I made many people mad. I’m the guy with no front teeth.

I have fought multiple opponents on the street using the element of surprise on as many as five people at once. Needless to say I have a criminal record etc. I used to live to fight. Jimmy had a love hate relationship with me. Now that I am older, I think he was proud of me as a fighter. But I didn’t always respect his students. Or much else. It was later in life that it finaly sunk in about the confidence in character.

At this point in my life I teach some of my friend’s older kids and keep up on form and workout in my garage studio, that's where I met Duke and I started reading this discussion board because another san soo teacher told me about it. He goes by the name of Mon Ha Woo on this sight. Years ago, I learned Taoist and Buddhist philosophy from “MHW” and how it relates to Kung Fu San Soo. It has made a tremendous difference in my study and understanding of the art in my now later years. If I would have known some of this earlier in life maybe things would have been different. But I didn’t want to listen.

Have been living in Santa Fe Springs, Norwalk and now Long Beach. At 50, I started attending college in Long Beach. I know all the guys from Jimmy's. Raul and Xavier, Juan M. Jack S, Al H etc Ted, Carlos I could go on and on. Enough about me.

"He has never once given an example of a san soo practitioner that has done one of the great things that he describes."

I can name multiples. However, the one that immediately comes to mind is Raul Ruiz of Calvary Chappel in Diamond Bar. Look him up on the net for more info. In a nutshell, Raul was street kid from the San Gabriel Valley. Was heading nowhere, went into the service, came out and practiced San Soo with his brother in El Monte. The "self-realization" (I believe that is how you put it) he discovered while working out in El Monte led him to become a minister and even had a Radio show on AM radio (maybe he still does).

Raul eulogized Jimmy. Tim, I do not remember you in El Monte, (what years were you there?) but have heard about you from several of the first generation guys, (some refer to you as a heretic, but I have been called much worse). I do not know if you were at Jimmy's funeral but it was Raul who eulogized him and in later life, Jimmy accepted Christianity and Raul helped with that, (Jimmy was a Buddhist and Taoist).

Raul has been a major influence in countless lives for helping ex-con straight out of jail to stay out of jail and doing this by teaching San Soo (along with his top belts - I do not know if he still teaches), and the confidence in his spiritual beliefs combined with his Kung fu fighting techniques is the "completeness" (I believe that is how Jack puts it) that makes the difference between a Kung Fu Artist and a Martial Artist. Jimmy helped to build men like Raul, and I guess your teacher, Tim.

"I have a different view of martial arts than he does. He seems to infuse mysticism and self definition into (and from) Kung Fu. He believes that the techniques he practices and the way he trains can lead to greater self realization and elevation of character. It is like a religious experience."

That is Jack's point. And you are right in a sense that once you understand that being a “complete” human it is almost like a religious experience. More like a profound realization of the importance of life. Jack’s view and mine also, is that there is a huge difference between authentic kung fu taught from a Chinese man who was taught by his family who were taught by their fathers on and on and learning commercial martial arts. There is nothing out there that I know of that was like what El Monte offered. You could compare it to the Gracies but they are concerned with technique only and entertainment. Apples and Oranges. Jack is right, Jimmy hated Hollywood martial arts and especially the magazines. He did a couple of interviews as a favor to Harry.

Also Jimmy used to say that one guy comes back from the army and learns a little of this and a little of that and makes up his own style. At that time, he was referring to Ed Parker and Bruce Lee. However, he could just as easily have been talking about Tim or anyone else that blends different styles of fighting technique without a legitimate lineage: that it does a disservice to call it kung fu as it was mixed fighting techniques, not ancient kung fu, which was designed ( as Jimmy’s motto clearly stated “Victory does not lie in wining, but in the building of confidence and character”) to create confident and progressive people. Leaders. But Tim doesn’t call what he teaches, “kung fu” Jimmy would of approved of Tim I’m sure, but no doubt I think he would rather not see any of his students ever compete. Jimmy was against compition. Period and it didn’t matter who the student was.

The point he would often make was that without teaching these and other aspects of kung fu, by simply removing the technique from the greater overall art of kung fu, you fragment it and it becomes much less useful. This is the point Jack keeps hammering away at and gets frustrated with the "quire" or whatever he calls you because nobody seems to be willing to address this point.

Jimmy didn't talk philosophy all class long, but he had a lot to say. (Much like Jack, and I get a kick out of reading Jack because I hear the “Jimmy” in him). If you could understand Jimmy’s bad English, which frankly many people didn't want to take the time to suffer through his lack of English skill. He would frequently say, "If I (could) speak more English, you guys (would) learn more kung fu. He meant more of the philosophical Taoist and Buddhist aspects of the art. Jimmy spoke a lot about the "psychology of the body" a person’s organic reaction to specific movements and its influence on the spinal cord. He would say, "The spine thinks too" In other words, the body would act on its own to protect itself.

A kung fu education (and I do not think there were more than a handful of authentic kung fu Sifus and even less who were actually street fighters and Jimmy was a street fighter -ask Tim) is vastly more significant if you can use it to make a difference in your life and others.

Again, Jack's point, but it is directly from Jimmy - if you wanted to hear it (interested in it). Now many guys, like James, just didn't want to hear it. They were there for technique and get the inside scoop from Jimmy about how things really work when fighting on the street. Jimmy would call his style of choi li fut as Chinese Street Fighting. I taught it in Whittier for a long time. So they would listen intensely while Jimmy would describe movements and "Street fighting strategy." There are very few people who were as qualified to talk about this kind of strategy as Jimmy.

I guess that is why Jack Lionizes him. Although there were a few police officers in his studio who didn’t approve of Jimmy and his history of thugery.

What gets me is that Jack would spend so much time and effort to talk these kinds of things to a group that is obviously into it for the technique (sport).

I think he is giving some paternal advice and most who respond to him, do not give it the recognition it deserves, even if they are not into it.

Jack reminds me of a competent person who wants to enter politics. They are driven out because of the scrutiny and attack, as people are envious of success and free thinkers: a leader who thinks for himself. They find them threatening. So they dig up dirt and run them through the gauntlet. That is why there are so few leaders. Jack (I do not know who you are but I have my ideas) when you read this I think you will agree). I mean who wants to lead “horses who do not drink” to water, even if they are dying of thirst.

He must be doing it out of a sense of loyalty to Jimmy. Loyalty, respect, admiration and don’t forget Jimmy virtually worshiped his ancestors, which is big to traditional Chinese. I think that it is this man-to-man mentor / protégé relationship that propels Jack forward in the face of Neigh Sayers or the quire. Personally, I think he deserves your respect even if he says what you do not want to hear. And I believe most of the “crap” he writes, if he is who I think he is.

“Jack” if you change venues please post it. There are at least a half a dozen old timers who occasionally search this sight for your adventures and character.

James, one other thing, I think Jack’s name calling to you revolves more about your emphasis on competition than you personally. I guess you had to be there to really understand. The guys who really fought, in the street, and shared stories about it, where tight and had a healthy disdain for tournament fighters.

Old Timer, thanks for the insight. You are right in that Raul Ries has done tremendous good with his life. However, I have read Raul Ries's book and he does not credit san soo with his transformation. He credits Jesus Christ. He was already a black belt in san soo when he was waiting for his wife to come home so that he could kill her. As he was waiting, he was listening to a christian minister on the radio or TV (I think Chuck Smith)when he accepted Christ and became "born again". San Soo had nothing to do with his transformation and the good he has done since then. I believe he would be the first person to tell you that. You wrote about Raul "the confidence in his spiritual beliefs combined with his Kung fu fighting techniques is the "completeness" (I believe that is how Jack puts it) that makes the difference between a Kung Fu Artist and a Martial Artist." Raul's spiritual beliefs are from Christianity, not from Kung Fu. That is my point, you don't need san soo to do good deeds. Raul Ries is a great example.

James, I knew Raul intimately, do you? And he has used san soo to help those who have gotten out of jail and reach out to others. He has used it combined with his spiritual beliefs to help many people.

"San Soo had nothing to do with his transformation and the good he has done since then. I believe he would be the first person to tell you that."

Why don't you ask him. His becoming born again, maybe not, his confidence, charcter courage and maturity as a man. I strongly disagree.

You asked for a San Soo man who made a difference. I gave it and you nit picked it.

You demonstrate a superior position with your subtle negativity. This "off the gist" banter is probably what frustrates jack. It shows a lack of lateral thought and closed mindedness that jack referred to. At what cost rightness?

You said there are not San Soo people who make a difference and I strongly disagree. I believe Jimmy H. Woo created more strength in character and leaders, through his personality and character, which was a demonstration of Chinese culture he grew up in.

"He has never once given an example of a san soo practitioner that has done one of the great things that he describes."

I gave you a shinning example. I did not say Raul's life was "saved” by Jimmy. But I bet if you ask him he will give Jimmy a lot of credit as San Soo was a guiding force.

Now does everybody need martial arts training with philosophy? No. Do the James’s of the world need it, from this discussion, maybe not, maybe so. Do most people need it? A resounding Yes.

James do you really see confidence and character taught in most churches and schools. Most parents are so busy working two jobs they don't stay home with their kids and a lot of parents simply do not care. Most teachers are not educated or suffer from political correctness to dare discuss what is right and what is wrong. The majority of the world is not affluent Orange County. It is indifferent and cold. Jimmy was neither of those. Remember he taught in El Monte. Not the nicest of area's and he taught people that had little money and most had less education. He never charged more than $20 a month for all the years he taught. He was a legitimate legend. he just wasn’t famous, because he didn’t care to be.

Martial arts schools are a sensible venue to teach ethics, manners and hold discussion about what is socially valuable. I didn't go for it when I was your age, but I should have.

Jack makes a valid point about this and any teacher that does not have an ethical sense and a philosophical compass to lead his students is either missing a great opportunity to bring Positivity into the world or providing a disservice to his community by teaching people how to fight without teaching them why to fight and why not to fight.

"I have a different view of martial arts than he does. He seems to infuse mysticism and self definition into (and from) Kung Fu. He believes that the techniques he practices and the way he trains can lead to greater self realization and elevation of character. It is like a religious experience."

In response to your statement: Jimmy H. Woo taught an authentic style of Kung Fu. It was not sport martial arts. Although he did not have the patent on authentic, his direct family lineage says a lot.

Kung Fu certainly does lead to an elevation in character and most certainly does lead to greater self-realization (authentic JHW kung fu has martial arts in it but it is a misuse to study it for only fighting technique, just as Buddhism and Taoism were misused as religion. They were designed to be absent of worship: philosophy) and it is a spiritual journey if you see it as one. That is if you have someone that can guide you in character as well as technique so you can recognize it as such. I mean spirit in a much more personal way, not with religious connotation; yet with the power others derive from religious experience.

Jimmy did not tell you about your journey. He let you discover it for yourself. Some sooner, some later. Unfortunately I was one of the later group. But if it was not for my education in kung fu, I might not have realized what a precious thing life is and how wrong I was to damage it.

Oh by the way you seem to hold Raul in high esteem. Why don't you drop him a line and tell him San Soo sucks. You said you never called Jack names, yet you defiled something important to many. I think this is a much greater insult (as it insults the man who taught it and the thousands of people it took to refine it, and your teacher) than a simple moron name or a derogatory spin on your posting name. I think you need a maturity check.

You are not in Jacks or Raul or Jimmy’s league, nor in another thousands of San Soo practitioner’s league. As jack said in one of his posts you are not in that pay grade. Yet you have a superior mood. That is what unguided martial arts usually produce – Arrogance and false pride. The same arrogance that is prevalent through out today’s sports celebrities.

wow- one thing I can say for san soo. It sure makes a person wordy.

Bob#2

Old Timer, why did it take for you to learn taoist and buddhist philosophy to make a difference in your understanding of kung fu. I thought your point is that kung fu san soo is complete in itself.

Again, Raul Ries does not credit san soo for transforming his life. He writes in his book that God changed his life. Why don't you read his book "Fury to Freedom" and see for yourself who he gives credit to for his life changing transformation. It's true, you gave an excellent example of a san soo practitioner who has done great things in Raul Ries. Perhaps it was my fault in that what I really wanted were examples of people who have done great things and credits san soo for it.

You are right, I was a little tired and depressed yesterday but I am in a superior mood today. Let us agree to disagree....and in my opinion....San Soo sucks! Brazilian Jiu Jitsu rules! Whoppers are better than Big Macs! Old Timer is really Jack V pretending to be someone else!

"Only the real messiah would state he's NOT the messiah..." - Monty Python's "Life of Brian"

all I can say is wow! What I got out of all this crap is San Soo is better than slice bread and will make you an enlightened person - amazing. Anything else really is a waste of time.

That's how it comes off. Now, personally I don't believe this to be true and for the record I never studied the art. The times I've been out to train with Tim and his guys and the folks that I've meet that train in KFSS all have been good guys. I had lunch with Ted S. and Tim last time out and really enjoyed it.

The best thing about these posts are that a few individuals (maybe just one distrubed one) is inferring that Tim Cartmell is a heretic. What it comes across as that all the San Soo guys posting on HIS website must feel pretty insecure about their art. Again, I don't think that there is more than one person doing this however what's interesting is to keep dancing around the issue of (them) asking, "why Tim did you leave San Soo???"

It appears that Tim has pointed out that the "Emperor has no clothes on" to this subset of people (again, maybe only one person) and this really has touched a nerve with the KFSS Choir.
(I'll spell it correctly)

And Jack before you tell me how much of an idiot I am, my response will be a little delayed as I am currently traveling in Europe doing business.

You see not all of us are trailer trash. ;)


good training,
Joe

Apples and oranges as one of the people said. Scew drivers are for screws. hammers are for nails. BJJ is for sport. KFSS is for street. Sports are enterainment. The street is not. The right tool for the right job. Thats what I get out of theses posts.

I find streetfights extremely entertaining.

Bob#2

Old Timer,

Thanks for taking the time to write your insightful post.

Since this topic seems to continuously recycle, I'd like to make a few things clear.

Jimmy knew I was going to Taiwan and China to study martial arts. He thought it would be a great experience for me. Every year or so when I returned to California to visit, I'd go see Jimmy and tell him what I'd been up to. The last time I saw Jimmy was a couple of years before he passed away, he invited me to his house for lunch (a great honor for me).

Whenever I asked Jimmy a question abut the differences between San Soo and what I was learning in Taiwan at the time, he would explain the reasoning behind the San Soo way of doing things. Since Jimmy had real confidence in his art, and was a man of real character, he didn't resort to telling me what I was learning outside of San Soo wasn't "real Kung Fu" and he didn't resort to calling me names. He was a man supremely confident in what he did, and was, therefore, not threatened by what anyone else did.

I've found this level of confidence totally absent in most of Jimmy's students. This is especially unusual in that many of these same students have fairly devoted their lives to emulating Jimmy. Jimmy had confidence in himself, many of his followers only seem to have confidence in Jimmy.

I loved Jimmy. I enjoyed all the years I practiced San Soo and I learned many valuable lessons. But, practicing San Soo didn't teach me everything I needed to know about fighting, or about life.

I am also confident in myself, how I train and what I teach. I still don't know everything there is to know about fighting, or about life, and if I encounter something I believe will be useful, I'm willing to learn.

You'll notice I don't feel compelled to go onto San Soo discussion boards and tell the people there they aren't learning real kung fu, and my way is the only right way of training/living. How other people practice their martial arts or live their lives doesn't threaten me at all.

When people become adamant about convincing you their way is the only way, it is a sure sign of lack of self confidence.

One more point heretical point. Every individual style of martial art is created by men that have enough insight to maintain an open mind, men with enough insight to search for answers outside their zone of comfort. Kung Fu San Soo was invented by men that cross trained in various styles of martial arts was it not? Every San Soo student knows the story of the families that combined their styles to create Choy Li Ho Fut Hung. If the fighters in these families had the attitude of most practitioners of present day Kung Fu San Soo (namely, my art is the only style of "authentic" kung fu, and no one outside my style has anything valuable to offer) Choy Li Ho Fut Hung would never have been created in the first place. Remaining open minded is a two way street.

Old Timer, I hope you continue to post here when you will, it's rare to have someone of your experience and insight that can communicate so cleary.

Regards,

Tim

Jack is back Vincent, and cumming at you with the one-eyed monstrosity.

You want wordy - You Got It. Nobody out words the Jack.

Hey numbskulls and nitwits everywhere. It’s me your Uncie Jack. Well it’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Rain gone for the season. Surf’s been great. Salty tities, rice and beans and solar electric ONLY. Ca – yeah. Da-chit

Just came off the peninsula and paid the native chick a few pesos to keep this dump open a bit.

I am gathering a choir? Shitten me. I hope not. If so maybe Tim is right regarding those close minded bad san soo guys calling him a heretic. What is a heritic? A flee off of Bugs Bunny’s ass (that was for you stoog – o. I think I’ll call you Stanly.)

So it’s been “bare our soul week” since I left. Touching. This feigned niceness is nauseating.

There is so much good frap here I wish I hand not ate all that clam.

I know who old timer is. This is your First Captin Puntang jJack, Welcome aboard San Soo Central mate, where they post a topic called “San Soo” and lambaste you for posting about San Soo. --- Go figure. Yeah, I know it’s a trap but us san soo kids turn accidents into advantage now don’t we…

The owner says he loves the Grand Master and what an honor it was to eat Tuna sandwiches with him. (I ate lunch with Jimmy weekly. And it was special). Anyways they slam you after they invite you in. Now that’s real San Soo – really, teaxt book stuff, smile and hit em caliber. That Timmy is a sly one.

Like Gentleman Joe over there and his “emperor got no joes” noise. I think he is the imposter. Joe are you Tim? I’m not Tim. Old Timer are you Jack, well I know for damn sure I not jack. Has any one seen lieutenant Markenson? Ah he just pooped his own ass with a nickel plated 45 standard officer issue. Didn’t need that chump anyways (this is a Mon Haw Woo gag – again for you late bloomers and retards).

Joe, if I really wanted to insult you, I’d ask if you were Stanley. But wouldn’t want to cross that line. I’d be down right infrickenfuriated if some one called me “moron” I mean Stanley. So, you are going to where to do what, are you coming back Euro-trash. I prefer tush trash. Too much of that wanna be euro-trash pinash in them O. C. joints. Whatever happened to Tommy Burgers off Indiana street. Ahh, you guys are probably afraid to go there now, I don’t think there are any ref’s in that part of town.

Yes I’m full of piss and vinegar (and crap according those who may be F’d and P’d (that’s fried and punked for you beginners out there). So Jackie boys got a legitimate audience. In of all places a web site owned by some one who does not teach San Soo but practiced for years, has a place for people to discuss San Soo but then has the BJJ history on the front cover. Well, Nancy dear I’m confused but that’s nothing knew (SFS – Spelling for Stanly), Mr Gorbachev tear down that wall!

Hell all this SS talk almost got me teary eyed. Especially that Raul garbage. Fleecing money machine and churchianity crap. Here I am you God Rep. give me 10% of your cash and toss the spare change in the basket. Did someone say heritic? Or whose the dick? Couldn’t tell.

With all the material garnered here over the last few days, and this was my first trip to town to buy some neoprene rubbers, toilet paper and plastic bags (wringen up and lite em on fire and drip the hot droplets on the wood to star a fire. Bitty balls Betsy, don’y go inflaming your gentiles with this trick. I could go on and on and OOOOOOOOON. Hell Tim you must be a closet San Soo guy with the length of that last post, I do not know there big fella but might a been a record?

Well I do nut enunciate or clearly communicate and have no college education, at least not that I remember. Did bang some sophomore siblings though, Oh fits, that might have been high school, they loved it. All in the family stuff meatheads.

Where was I, that ADD is settin in. Could that be why I have so many Kids? Fried and punked, that’s right. No No No. waita minute.

Oh yeah, invite you in to talk about San Soo and they don’t talk about it - except to bash it. I think they should rename this section Bashing Useless San Soo. I love the teacher but forget the history on the opening page. Yeah, I got it. A touching tribute.

I was at Jimmy’s funeral in Newport/Costa Mesa. Hell me and a couple of “Old Timers” went there and visited a few years after, now we go every Valentines day and recite Jack Kerouac passages and play the tambourine. Jimulators we are. Those who emulate Jimmy. Did Jimmy play the tambourine, or was that the ukulele? Oh well we roasted whinners and sang Mr. tambourine man trying to do our best emulations.

“The best thing about these posts are that a few individuals (maybe just one distrubed one) is inferring that Tim Cartmell is a heretic. What it comes across as that all the San Soo guys posting on HIS website must feel pretty insecure about their art.”

Well george tell Barbra the section says “San Soo” for those of puny minds and insincere humility. All though nobody talks about it, Hell does anyone but Tim even know it. Tell those CIA boys to have a look at it and Nancy, we won’t forget to duck

It like that Rolling stones tune “look at that pretty gir-rrill. She bitches bout things that she’s never seen, look at that pretty girl, her vanity grows and grows” somthin like that.

All I know is whenever I or the other guy (MHW) are asked question we respond to them, Butttt the quirelets evade - jumping from side to side, parry and block. Cause they know nothing about San Soo except there teacher Knows it. False confidence? Quien?

“Whenever I asked Jimmy a question abut the differences between San Soo and what I was learning in Taiwan at the time, he would explain the reasoning behind the San Soo way of doing things.”

So here is a San Soo question… Wow remarkable… Lets see if we get an answer.

Tim for $500 and the daily double

What is the reasoning behind the “San Soo way of doing things?”

“I've found this level of confidence totally absent in most of Jimmy's students. This is especially unusual in that many of these same students have fairly devoted their lives to emulating Jimmy. Jimmy had confidence in himself, many of his followers only seem to have confidence in Jimmy.”

Who lacks confidence in what. I an confused lets head out to the ranch Nan and eat some goobers with Geoge H and Barbara and the little wiper snapper Dubya.

That's why they took to the tournaments. Cause they needed the ego boost – prove themselves. Look in the mirror. I doubt that this means more than a pimple on a rhinos ass, but you do not have to be so sensitive about not teaching San Soo anymore, Jimmy would forgive you, (particularly sharp tonight ehh?).

All the ribbing and bullshiting aside (you guys asked for the old jack back – watch out what you wish for), what you do with your life is your business, and the SS community (whoever in the hell that may be) I am sure gives a crap. Tim, I’ll respect you in the morning. Just kidding my fine feathered friend, them plums are getting rattled for nothing. Or is it a case of reminiscing with Old Timer???

“I loved Jimmy. I enjoyed all the years I practiced San Soo and I learned many valuable lessons. But, practicing San Soo didn't teach me everything I needed to know about fighting, or about life.”

Did it teach you some things, daaah. Why the answer is a thought provoking Yes!

Did the first chick you banged teach you all about white women, you didn’t marry her did you? Well the first chick foe me wasn’t san soo, it was Norwalk and a car load of cholos jumped out and (please excused the term) jacked us on our own street corner. I thought I'd look for another chick after tha. A couple relationships later I found San Soo. I rode her ass to a worn out pussy (oxymoron, like in moronicus Stanley – nice tie-in Jack, you are sooo sly).

“You'll notice I don't feel compelled to go onto San Soo discussion boards and tell the people there they aren't learning real kung fu, and my way is the only right way of training/living. How other people practice their martial arts or live their lives doesn't threaten me at all.”

Hmmmmmm… Isn’t that what you are doing? Is this not a San Soo discussion board? For people who know nothing about san soo except BJJ Rules!!! (Tim and present company: me and a couple others excepted). I do not believe I have said my way is the right way, although the P&F’ers continually try to accuse me of such an unsavory act. My God - I’m appalled!

Get back Jojo, nobodys tryin to thereaten none of yous around here (eat some furry frog leggs in France with some pickled peppers’ take a good poop pied piper and settle down, no ones attacking your imagined sacred cow, we have too much confidence to do that – but thanks big brother).

We are merely having a not so polite rhubarb regarding the merits of San Soo which all you ultra qualified San Soo fanatics keep enlightening me and your fellow rhubarbers about. The traveling Rubereis, what a madd buch ehh? I thin Roy Orbisons dead. So is Timothy Leary.. but do not be dismayed … you have the Jackster!!!

This is my favorite…

“One more point heretical point. Every individual style of martial art is created by men that have enough insight to maintain an open mind, men with enough insight to search for answers outside their zone of comfort. Kung Fu San Soo was invented by men that cross trained in various styles of martial arts was it not? Every San Soo student knows the story of the families that combined their styles to create Choy Li Ho Fut Hung. If the fighters in these families had the attitude of most practitioners of present day Kung Fu San Soo (namely, my art is the only style of "authentic" kung fu, and no one outside my style has anything valuable to offer) Choy Li Ho Fut Hung would never have been created in the first place.

Bingo buddy you got it.

However (you knew the however was coming) if they would have thrown out the Li or the Fut (Fut, that’s the Buddhist part, remember that part, it mean “Buddha mind” etc (I know you are the linguistics expert so before you go nit picking like Stanley, for a moment maintain the gist. And I do not mean to be condensending (yes I do)).

So toss out one of them and there goes the “who put the bomp in the bomp she bomps she bomp, or do you loose the rama dama ding dong. Either or the other - the song does not remain the same (sorry Zep fans everywhere). So why take the San Soo out of the Shenwu (great song title, why it mat be the quires theme song).

Thus why no San Soo History, like the BJJ stuff? I see papa Gracie, I see no Jimmy. Do you love Papa Gracie too? I find that interesting.

Have you taken so much guff (merely my assumption) from the San Soo community that you cannot put up the history and explanation of an art in respect of a man you claim to love? Try to remain unaffected and claim your San Soo heritage openly and boldly into the new frontier. It’s not like being a minority. Jack you are so politically incorrect, I fricken love ya.

Ahh this crack is given me the evil eye and I gotta live around here for a while so I guess I gota go. Was havin so much fun, damn. I’ll be travilin on business too. Someone took something from someone else and they want it back or equal renumeration.

Fare thee well oh Quirelets. I’ll be jumpin on my horse, literally, I just rode in on this one and it doesn’t have six speeds, a key or breaks. Old timer, I know you. If you know me, you know how to get a hold of me.

If they don’t increase the pay around here, I may be movin to shaolinwolf.com, Keep you posted. Anybody got a syndication deal. Or a fast food F & P quire restaurant chain?

Oh yeah, try and post with some sarcasm, orgasm or humor. Pass the Listerine.

You been “Jacked” V.

P S - Aren’t you just Jack happy about it.

Jack its nice to see you back.
Sorry but your little buddy decided we're a waste of his time. Maybe he'll move too.
You can read all about it in Training with Tunes.
Kid makes no fuckin sense. I'm glad he's off to say the least.
happy reading
The Mask

Sorry to see you go Jack, you are funny as hell.

You like "funny" stoog-o? Why don't you go out drinkin with shane. He seems like your type, maybe you're too old. Good name for him though, one letter away from "shame".

Hey Jack,

Good to see you back in true form.

"I see papa Gracie, I see no Jimmy."

http://www.shenwu.com/background.htm

That's Jimmy in the middle.