There has been some interest in what are the differences between old san soo and new san soo. I can only relate what I have learned as a student of old san soo. Old san soo simply stated is what the chinese refer to as a "Dragon Form". It was designed for one thing- self preservation and preservation of family. Simply stated old san soo is a killing art. Loshifu Chin Siu Dek (JImmy Woo) was sued by a student for being too rough (As he was teaching the art as it originally was) and had arguably his best student, Frank Woolsey, publish the famed "Red Book". In order to avoid being sued again and have someone else publish the secrets he altered the techniques to fit a more studio friendly atmosphere as well as protect himself from someone publishing secret material which is NOT for public consumption.
The Triads of China are basically the same as western Freemasons with the exception that in the east they added one more department. This department so to speak was known as a "Hung Quan" and was the martial arts section of the "Lodge". Interestingly enough the word that translates to "Lodge" is used by the Triads as well as Freemason s of the west. A Hung Quan was composed of a Master who had 5 advanced students. Jimmy Woo had 5 Black belts and only five black belts (along with some "brown belts") who knew the old ways. Frank Woolsey was thrown out of the san soo dojo and was not allowed to call what he taught san soo. And hence the title of Woolsey's Red Book "Real Kung Fu". In the same way Bruce Lee (Who was a student of Yip Man- the style Wing Tsun) called his method Jeet Kun Do and not Wing Tsun. Simply stated the biggest difference between old san soo and new san soo is the difference in will and intention. The will and intention of old san soo is killing. Period- End of story. To my knowlegde new san soo has a different intention. Also old san soo was very circular. Even Jimmy Woo's version of Fut Ga (which incorperates linear cutting the plane motions) was circular. Many new san soo instructors are very "Karate" like (As far as not being circlular). I hope this sheds some light on the differences between these two arts. Anyone who says that there is no difference or fails to see the difference between old san soo and new san soo clearly is not familiar with the REAL old san soo art. 'nuff said.

ADDENDUM:
I was taught to protect my Master(s) first and foremost. Their may be some people wanting to know who I studied under etc.... Forget it- I will not even reply so do not bother to ask. Those who have eyes that know will immediately realise that I speak the truth. 'nuff said.

After Thought:
The year Jimmy Woo died in China they discovered the famed southern shaolin temple that was believed to be only a legend. Its name: Quan Lin Temple.

About Me:
I made my first post last night and then went on to read through the archives and found another Jack. Jack V. Rest assured, as the Pope is Catholic, I AM NOT the same Jack! And if Jack V is who I think it is- 2 things. When he speaks, listen. Second. If you are actually crazy enough to wanna go meet someone from a chat and fight them, I would advise running the opposite direction, or at least attempting to break your own neck before Jack V gets to you!

I am Not a metrosexual male model suffering from a personality implosion!

Though from time to time I do suffer from an immature personality disorder! Seriously though, I am happy their is a place where I can express my opinions. And that is all they are. And we all know what opinions are like.

keep talking to yourself dude!
it's cheaper than therapy!
but no one is reading!
not because it's boring,it's just that no has the time to read all this conversation you had with yourself!

drat- you frigin' ruined it marc. It could have been great.

••••!!

bob, i thought we agreed about the no red dots
thing!
ps.sorry i know,i cut it short didn't i?
i wonder how long he could have talked to himself like that?

yeah, we all wonderED how long he could talk to himself- but you had to f-it all up- now we'll never know.

GIVE YOURSELF A BIG PAT ON THE BACK, GENIUS.

sorry Dhead,i couldn't keep my F*ing mouth
to my f*ing self, i'm such a dumb Ahole
i wish we could've read 20 more f888888(sorry forgot the shift key)pages of this POOOOP!
instead of a pat i'll give myself a ****.

ps.i start to like you bob#2,but for me you're
number 1!maybe the pat will be for you!!!!!!!!

if you can read this and not laugh,
well, i'll try again!
i don't let boobs like you get away!
i meant bobs!!!!!!

great job, man.
great job.
we were ALL laughing till you chimed in with your "durrr- keep talking to yourself dude!
duh-it's cheaper than therapy! durrrhurrrhurrr".

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.
You've got a gift for it.
do you post on other sites? So we can follow you around an not miss a moment of the action???

bob don't hate the funny writer,
hate the funny board!
ps.i write on "your mama.cum"
and she loves my big pen!
she still wonder where you cum from?

I was wondering how long long it would take to get flamed. I printed about 100 pages of archives from this board. It is some of the greatest comedic material on the planet! You guys are great! I 'll have so much material to read while I'm on the john. LOL- just having fun. Seriously though, I do find all your wit absolutely awesome.

i'll have my lawer call you!
well, if he still talks to me?
p.s. jack yello(it sounds funny saying that!)
i like how you take it with a grain of salt!
like it should be!

These are some thoughts that I share with my students. I would like everyones opinion on this stuff. Flame it- I would like to learn from all of your experience.


Thoughts to my students:

...It doesn’t matter if you think god or the devil made this world. A law that exists here for success in anything that you do is simply that you must confront what you fear on a daily basis. The only way to achieve anything is through this-confront something and figure out a way around it. This stuff is magical. By preforming the motion to destroy someone’s liver you are actually strengthening your own. By doing the moves you are learning how to protect your space and your families space. By doing the moves you become like players in a Shakespearean play. All of you will have to confront different emotions and feelings as you do the moves. You may like some of the moves. You may not. You must always work on the moves you don’t like first. This confrontation is a like a magical ceremony an apotheosis of the will- if you will. You are acting out the conquering of yourself-your victory over the universe. Yes put the hip wader on it gets deeper than you! This stuff isn’t for everyone. That’s cool. If it is, that’s cool too. The idea is to do your best all the time. The only thing you can really do in a self-defense situation is your best. It may mean you will not win the fight. If at the end of the day you know your doing your best you’ve won the war. It is my duty as a martial arts instructor to confront you and challenge you so that you will be forced to confront these things in your self. This is not easy for me and definitely not easy for you. What I want you to take personally is that in confronting yourself you will be better for it. Make no mistake about this- in order to win in a self-defense situation you need to be more violent than your opponent. As far as what I teach. It is not a sport. It is a sacred trust. I am teaching you how to kill me. I am giving you a loaded gun. I want to make sure that I don’t get shot in the back. I am teaching you a way to immediately neutralize a violent act through an act of superior violence.
I am sharing this with you because I want you to understand that all I want is for you to become your best. You are not going to like everything. You may not even like me. That’s ok. The best way not to care or love someone is to NOT say anything. If you think I am hard on you. You are right. That is the only way to succeed. Right now your all worried about learning how to be good ass kickers. That’s the easy part. Being just plain old good at everything you do is the hard part. It is about personal power. You have no personal power until you learn to control your space. This stuff is about controlling your personal space in all areas of your life. I am not talking about being a control freak. I am talking about freedom. Being free to do what your heart desires because you are able to lock down and control any aspect of YOU. Wop Dee Do- you can beat someone up. If you are not an excellent, productive and DECENT person- your kung fu sucks….

Horseshit!