or better yet - would he have been as successful without his degree in psych?

BH,

Taoist cannon, Buddhism, Confuscious! I'm impressed (not really). Id be more impressed if you had better comand of your English. Here is a little Ditty from the literate Jack:

Gong Fu was created in a Buddhist temple. First as just excersizes of moving meditation. Which is what Chan Buddhism is all about, meditation. That evolved through the years into fighting arts. But in the beginning it was about Buddhism brought over by Da Mo (who created Chan Buddhism).

Chan Buddhism was influenced by other things such as Confucianism, Taoism, etc.. Everything in Chan Buddhism was a meditation. And they needed more physical excersize for the monks. So those moving meditations were created to keep in shape while at the same time study Chan Buddhism.

It later was built onto and turned into a fighting art. Simple as that. So Chinese Gong Fu carried the tradition and belief systems from Chan Buddhism. But that was Shao Lin. Other places in China were influenced by other religions and were practiced at those certain temples so they got other traditions that are used in the practice of ancient martial arts.

Modern martial arts no longer integrate the development of mind and body as a cohesive unit. Focus has been moved to technique and spiritual development according to Taoist and Buddhist methods has all but disappeared. It is uncommon to find a teacher that knows how to combine the nature of the Tao, Buddhist meditation and Confucian ethics with martial arts or Gong Fu.

A mi tuo Fo
Jackielou

OT,

The docor thing was a work of art.

Well done. I'll try and take some of your advice but it will degrade my pleasure chest.

hello all,

I've been following this thread since it started heating up back in November, and I appreciate the content and debate that has been going on. It has helped clarify some spiritual/discipline issues that are challenging for me.

I've studied with Tim previously, and look forward to the good opportunity to do that again. Reading through this site is great. I feel like this site is unique on the web, in accommodating lots of different perspectives.

I have a question for the San Soo practitioners on this site. Would you post some stories about Master Woo? About his personality and your working with him? I've read only a little about him. I'm sure there are some good stories.

Also, I'm curious- Who are the current lineage holders of San Soo? Any stories about their accomplishments would also be great to read. Just curious about the lineage practitioners behind these colorful and heartfelt posts.

Best,
Ian

This thread is all about my style is better than your style. Essentially, this argument boils down to; my mama has prettier combat boots then your mama. THUS, we have grown men arguing like children in the schoolyard sandbox, about who is best, not about any particular type of skill. Except of course the 15 year old, who seemingly is trying to give advice to everyone else, and is succeeding only in arguing with grown men, simply because the argument is puerile.

We've even had some individuals, on this thread who have claimed to have trained with the Navy SEALs, or trained them, or have trained somewhere with them, which by the way no one believes. Now, we have someone claiming to have gained some spiritual advice from this thread, God help him. Better yet, he should help himself, as all of us should. Subsequently, there is no way anyone can personally end this thread, as long as all of us look at martial arts in parts, and not as a whole. No particular style of martial arts is better than any other style. Each one is part of the whole picture; each one is a specialization of the particular person or persons who invented it.

I even have heard the argument that it depends on the particular practitioner of a style that makes the difference. This point of view is as ridiculous as, my style is better than your style. Since, there is no way anyone can describe, in an accurate form, what the particular practitioner is doing that makes him or her better than everyone else in the particular style he or she practices. And, no one seems to have an accurate way to absorb what the particular practitioner of such skill is doing. Why? This should be the question not some extremely puerile argument about who has a better style or training method.

Completely wrong Iron Bastard, you have not been reading or you are reading what you want to read.

There has never been an argument or discussion regarding style. There has been a discussion regarding appilcation and the usefulness of martial arts. Please cut and paste and sight the post where styles such as kung fu, Tai Chi, TKD etc have been said to be better than Shen Woo or San Soo. Or San Soo is said to be better than Shen Woo or visa versa.

Another case of the Quire derailing the theme of this thread.

BH, has not proven his point and I politely ask you to prove that this thread is a style issue. You are completely off track on this.

Thank You! Now I know I'm on the right track.

Amoung others, a current lineage holder is Master Cartmell!

One other point, I've never been a member of the Choir.

IB,

As Jack would say, nice try and E for effort. That was a good attempt to add content to this thread, especially the "part vs whole." Do you wish to be considered for membership as a fan?

Shane has converted. What do you think? If you keep on posting with content you may become a member by default. The beanie and membership card could be yours!

I haven't converted to anything. Please cut and paste examples of my conversion and explain what are you talking about.

Jhane -

"I haven't converted to anything. Please cut and paste examples of my conversion and explain what are you talking about."

Settle down Nemo, we don't want you as a fan member... What me, who me.. Whats wrong, having those dirty little fan club thoughts in the wee hours of the night? You'll grow hair on your palms.

And I was gonna delete you from the Imaturon list.

Take some Midol and snatch a pack of frozen peas, that oughta relive the hissy fits, not to mention the cramps. And stop talking languages you don’t know – you aint impressin nobody. Wipe the Ceese whiz of your face too. I swear. Can’t take you quierlets nowhere.

You are more laughs than a fizzy enema.

Next time snap a shot of your face when you ponder the big Conversion move and then post it! Hell, you deserve a token membership card anyway (I know you will secretly cherish it).

OT, you trying to steal my thunder? Tim is lineage. Why do you think the grace (undeserved favor) of me postin on his turf?

Those quire hags always tryin to misquote me, so they can misdirect my ranting. Like I give a crap if they "get it" or not.

Spew, spew venom, hell Stanly stoogo don't write no mo.

After all the effort I put into him... Ingrate!

Whatever... Think I'll take a giant crap to remind me of Stan, Fudd and the Lice Eater. Ahw I miss those turds.

But the Quire Joker has to be Iron Bastard! Yeah Bas, you aint no quire member and who ever said you were a cop anyways Mel - you don't fly straight.

Manolo choot dis piez a chit.

Yeah Tony…

IB you got quire phobia or what. Your are a diehard quire-admirer. When was the last time you checked the glass man. See that reflection? It's you in there. What are you a Bass? Naw, Baritone. You wish you had the sacks. Not another Alto… please. Ok, maybe a Soprano.

You live, eat, breath and sing all the tunes. Looks like quire, smells like quire, tastes like quire… IB, what do you think it is??? Here is the tunes you got tattooed on your ass and singin in your hreart.

"Kung fu Blues" (Jackie Chan)

"I wish I was an Oscar Myer Winner" (Little Oscar and his Wiener Mobile)

"Trophy Time" (Van Halen)

"Slap Ass Sam" (T. Rex?)

"Glass Jock Stap" (Cindy's Sister)

"Heritic Hustle" (Linda Blair)

"Caged" (The Gracies)

And the anthem

Drum roll Doc.....

"Ain't No Sunshine When He's Dead" (Carried by Six)

I should get a cut of the take Mr T.

Well let's see, OT want longer posts and the new guy wants Jimmy stories.

How bout the time Jimmy was racing his 56 XK 140 in Hawaii and he pulled up to a signal, dropped it in to second, stood on the clutch and taced it to red-line. Dumped that baby and wound it out to red again, then speed shifted directly into fourth (•••• third - no time for extraneous chit (Just like Soo) hit bout 130 MPH while he passed a motor cycle cop.

Pulled over about a mile and half later.

Cop says, “Where is the fire Cowboy.” Jimmy wearin a coton shirt with a steer head print replied, "Oh just takin little ride officer."

“Wear to and you got a License to drive this thing? Is it yours or did you steal it Chinaman?”

"Na, it's my mama's"

"Tough guy eh Mr. Chin?"

"My name Woo."

That’s what your license says but I know who you are. You're that Chin fella! Thought we deported your yellow ass a while back." You'll have to come with...."

Cop wakes up to dust. Jumps on his bike and speeds off to find the Jag in a river at the bottom of a 100 foot drop.

"No more Mr. Chin" he smirks under his breath as he wiggles a semi dislodged tooth and split chin where the car door window had slapped him sudden like a violent wind of rage.


You see Jack, that cop and every cop on the Island think I dead. I never goin back to China or jail. See, had a file two inch thick. I make lotta money bein bad. You come up to me and say "See that guy. I want you to break his arm." I say "you pay now, $100" You pay me - I break his arm and if I don't like way he look at me, I break other arm too" (Big Smile flashes and turns to serious stare).

Yeah, I make lotta trouble in Hawaii. They catch me second time and maybe I never get out of Jail.

How's your Hot Rod running young man? I like convertibles. This one almost like my Jaguar. You race?


Get it Ian? Some people never got it. Some did, but not me of course.

Yackster at ya.

One of my better posts... No pay up, I might not like the look on your face...

Very impressive.
Now that's what I call being awakened.

Jackoff - don't want to be part of your little club. You see I believe IB is correct.
You guys are all threatened that Uncle Tim doesn't give a flying F*k about San Soo.

BTW - "Nemo dat quod non habit" translates into
"you can't give what you don't have..."

After reading all these posts - some were entertaining, it all boils down to "look at me, I didn't waste my time - regardless of what art I studied, and I really am somebody."

What's funny is when I read these it's all about the individual's ego.

That's really what you got out of your studies - excellent.

This san soo thing it's getting OLD

Inner atainment is as entertainment does.

Da da dats all folks!

You sure are bent, and I thought you got it!

BTW, "look at me," isn't that what competition is all about? Look at me I'm the winner. Had any face time in the mirror latly?

Now do you get it? I sure took you the long way around the wagons but you have realized my point.

Knowkedge realized is more powerful than nowledge revealed. Seems I heard that somewhere.

"Thank you uncie J" - you are welcome

The polite Jack

Seriously - I have given you guys a hell of a bad time, if you want I'll stop posting.

PS Lets take a vote. If you guys want Jackie to take his ball and go home just post. Only quire members and fans can vote, so no Nom de Plums. One vote per person. Or I'll spank ya (just kidding, - this is the polite Jack).

I like the fact that Jack's post make mine look golden.

Plenty of floks thought I was a nut job till Jack showed up and suddenly, I'm sagely.

Bob#2

i always thought you were sagely.

thanks for the edit post tip.

Hi Jack,

Thanks for the story about Jimmy. There's a general sense on this thread of his students enjoying themselves, which is cool.

Get it -- thats a hard one for me, sorry Jack. . If I think too much about getting it or not, I just stress myself out, miss the next one, and the one after that.

Actually, I thought of a good one this morning, in the shower, about 'get it' -- Janis Joplin, you know? 'you know you got it, if it makes you feel good' That gave me a laugh.

Good training ya'll,
Ian

Hey Nemo,

Sure is quiet in here?

What you don'yt like de Jackster puttin words in your mouth. Or exposing your egoistic reasons for training?

And not a single "Stop postin" yet.

Matter of fact Jason E.(for excessively)Struck and Two Boobs gaive me an implied thumbs up!

I'd like to thank the quire for their coereced support, my agent and the porducers and of course my Jack Russel, Scout, for his eduring companionship.

Now lets see if the polite Jack routine works. All that bitchen bout smart ass Jack, yet he got quite a response - no?

So, I'll prove another point.

Jack, you are so insulting -ohhh!"

Jack you are so egotistical - Ughh!"

Jack yo are so into not competing - Whaa!"

Jack you are so you!

Dat da point suckas, Oh yeah that's right we are seeing if Polite Jack routine works.

I think the phrase "Only quire members and fans can vote" may have scared off a lot of people.

sorta like the last US Presidental elections where only Republican votes mattered.

Bob#2