wait- here's a clip of San Soo action:

http://www.easthillskungfu.com/Videos/Lasiter/Grappler/grappler_wmv.htm

"Gong Fu was created in a Buddhist temple. First as just excersizes of moving meditation. Which is what Chan Buddhism is all about, meditation. That evolved through the years into fighting arts. But in the beginning it was about Buddhism brought over by Da Mo (who created Chan Buddhism)."

Just prove it now. There is exactly zero evidence of the Da-Mo theory. If you can prove this? You are a hero.

If not? Yer just another guy who swallowed the cover story hook-line-and-sinker.

From a "psychological" standpoint, I've already been beaten by fifteen people that I've never met, including a fifteen year old who should rather be bothering himself trying to get laid, clear up acne and by the way he talks, dodging "wedgies".

I hear a lot about the psychology of fighting and the attributes of deadliness, but they just don't add up with ahet I saw on the video clip.

The rest is just window dressing.

It's all about "Nice Try".... it's about fact vs. fiction and I hear a lot of excuses, fiction and "Nice Try's" from guy's who have proven nothing except the power of piffle.

IB- It's not really style vs. Style, those days are over. If it were that we'd be have a "Hung Vs. Woo" thread or some ••••.

power of piffle?

I'll have to look that up.

BH,

Can you disprove it?

You seem to think you have all the ansewers but all I see you expounding is crticism. You sure seem to know what is wrong, but do yu have any ideas, interesting insight etc?

You sure are good at shootin your mouth off and trying to be a smart ass ala Jack. Yet what have you brought to the table?

Only disgust and self righteousness.

At least Jack/Xing posted knowledge with his discourtious remarks.

This thread was made San Soo vs other martial arts by people such as yourself, with nothing to offer except negativity.

I started Kung Fu San Soo in 1971. My wife is from mainland China. When we where in LA Chinatown this last year and we saw a Choi Li Fut entry. She said that is what I had on my old shirt from Kung Fu San Soo (Jimmy Woo/Ted Sias/Frank Woolsey).

Thats right. KFSS is Choi Li (ho) Fut (hung). As it has been pointed out before a major difference is the style with which it is parcticed - San Soo style.

I like Jack. He knows exactly what the hell he is talking about. I am a differnt Jack altogether. I have copied a lot of post from this forum. Mostly from Jack V. It is required reading as far as I am concerned.

The Yackity Jack and Jaguar Men......hmmmm. I know a man who has an interesting theory about the "Jaguar People".......even made a little dance......

Dribbling Douest,

Too bad they removed the post that started, "Dearest Dauest." I found that to be one of the most effective posts on this site. That man new how to zing. Did you read it. It sums up how almost everyone feels about you and your mental prostrate problem that produce your uncontrollable verbal drainage. Look up “leak” in the dictionary and there is your sheit eatin grin. You ain’t nobody.

However, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. And I see you have tried to do your best "I am somebody” routine ala your hero - me. Problem is dirty little Dowey, I am somebody and you aint nobody and that is why people do not respond to Marc Dumbest, or Marc Dungest, or Marc Douchest, cause you ain't no Jack V and you ain't even fit to lick the drip from the crouch infested third world boom boom girls that Jack wouldn't even use your dick to bang. Frick you ain’t even a Shane, you should however be a shamed of that lame try at havin a personality.

You try so hard to have somethin to say that you end up posting to yourself. Pa-fuckin-thetic parrot man. I am rolling about how I got to you. Jobed your ass in a mental way big time. Weak minds soon lose their hinds.

Parrot man, you are the pied parrot piper leading himself in a one-way conversation with the mirror.

You obviously ain't no E. F. Hutton cause when you talk no one listens. See the number of posts on this thread - over 500. That’s cause there is content, humor, wit and smart ass remarks that insult, entertain and give reason to respond.

Your pathetic wanabe Jack routine repulses people. Or haven't you figured that out yet. No one thinks you are anything but a pathetic parrot, a mere Jack groupie.

What, you got penis envy?

About your Kaufman remark and his asinine slant on Gorin No Sho.

That is the worst interpretation of a classic I have ever read. I shook my head in disgust the whole way through. Written to appeal to hero worshipen wrestling fans. I guess that’s why you love it!

He all but neuters the intention of the book. Butchers the climax, which is the art of transformation and control without controlling.

He does not even reveal the underlying philosophy that Musashi spoke of regarding nature (Taoism) to be the way of all things and that a man must be familiar with all arts (not only martial) to achieve completeness. Something the quire in all its wisdom and experience thoroughly rejects. He also talks about the difference between competitive (insignificant) victories and real combat (significant) victories.

Beginner’s bull-puckey. That one-eyed control freak cop who wrote it never even understood the part about to completely realize the mind - one must know the body and to master the body - one must know the mind.

Try Harris's translation if you can get through it, which I doubt. That is getting through it with understanding it, not just lookin at the pictures and playin with your balls while wonderin who could beat up who in a "real (?)” fight in the ring - Gracie or Musashi.

So Parrot Pud, see if you can focus that pea size brain of yours and give an intellectual reason based response to the deeper meaning of the book, such as Transformation in the Fire chapter.

What is your take on the Void chapter Pud man. Or you just wackin it to the Jackster, you secret little admirer you! I'd make you my bitch but the flabby fascia skin haggin from your brown eye indicates that you are a high miler. Try the newly released from the state prison if you want a quick jolt.

PS – Harry’s book is the isometric exercises that Jimmy taught him and many others. I was there the day he gave one of the first copies to Jimmy. At that time, it was titled Dynamic Tension. Jimmy’s phrasing. Harry and I worked out often. Harry is a class act, unlike your miserable little self.

Question for "Only One Jack". I ran into a japanese body builder who told me that if I ate dried seaweed that it would aid in body building and strength in general. kelp-seaweed, I honestly do not the difference. Is their any truth to this? What is a good food or diet that you recommend for strength training.

Post Script:
I love the Demo Dick Rogue Warrior vernacular you mix in with your PH.D level wisdom . It makes me want to read! And readers are leaders ;)

ADDENDUM TO POST SCRIPT:
"Jack"
Your posts make me think, uncomfortable sometimes even to the point of being challeged to post in this forum. And that is what real kung fu is about. Its uncomfortable. Its challenging. Its thought provoking. It makes a person grow through a unique introspection. Hey, you threaten me just with your words-thats power! Even as I feel threatened by it-------------------I AM GLAD you are here sharing wisdom with us. Even though I was named in honour of a "Jack" in my family who died in the North African War, I changed my name from "jack" to who-flung-poo. Not because you think I am marck daoust-which I not!!! (I was a little confused by this.) but because "Only one Jack".

if no one cares?then how come i didn't even
post on this topic and you went off for 30
pages?
jack you're the one with penis envy(mine!)
suck it!

Dungest,

People only care about your post because they polute the board since they have no content, other than your lame humor gleaned from lack of real life experience.

IE: That lame little reply.

So Douchest are you reading a legitimate translation of the 5 rings or are you still mired in the table of contents?

How bout some intelectual discussion bout somthin you obviously no nothin bout.

(this oughta be good!)

You want to build muscle eat protien, I do not recomend the Marc Dumbest cum guzzling protien diet, causes RMS (runny mouth syndroms) and illusion of granduer, or was the Grand Manuer?

What you need to do is strengthen tendons which is part of a choi li ho fut hung although if you are under 18 you will not recive the same results.

Hung Gar style is mainly famous for its body building techniques, especially within choi li fut. It was one of the first system developed by the monks, and was originally brought to the Shaolin by Da Mo in the form of "The Muscles Changing Classics" and "The Book Of Washing Bone Marrow" which consists of movements done in low-wide (deep) open stances in conjunction with tense hand and foot strikes that are executed close and tight to the body.

These types of postures and motions are designed to develop the chi, bones, tendons, ligaments, organs and veins of the body (the bones, organs, and veins are particularly developed when these exercise are done before the age of 18 when these body parts are still growing).

However, muscular develop is a secondary by product since the tendons are far more stronger that the muscles, that is why Chinese fighters tend to be thinner that Western fighters, and move more fluidly.

When the form is done in these hard posture, it becomes a hung gar, or hung chia chuan form and executed for strictly health reasons (Jimmy use to teach this method of exercise in the early years, but stopped due to the fact that many students were uninterested). Because this part of the art is not a fighting technique, the name "Hung" in Choi Li Ho Fut sometimes is left off, however, the ancient art of kung fu san soo is not complete without all 5 styles.

I should be paid for this.

Thank you Senior V.

Pardon me I meant Senor V(spanish) this happens alot to me as I am still learning spanish and when words are close (like Senor((Senior,english))=Mister) I sometimes mess them up.

Mr. V.
I have noticed that all San Soo masters are unique in that they seem to be particularly successful at everything they do. Would it be correct to say that this mark of success, so to speak, is what real kung fu is about?

Choi li ho fut hung kung fu san soo is about self definition. At first it is about technique, which is powerful and facinating.

However the practical aspect of everyday life require one to use san soo kung fu daily. One does not fight all the time therefore to be practical kung fu must be used for more than Protection. It must be applicable to the other two aspects of completeness - Provision and Communication.

It is said that it takes three years of study and 30 years of application to be a master strategist. Application does not mean 30 years of fighting. It means 30 years of applying your knowledge to affect the world; correcting what violates nature and not interfering with what is natural.

However KFSS is a revisiting of one's self. A declaration to asess and revise what works and what does not. When one sees the process for what it actually is, an organization, discarding what does not work and retaining what does, and then adding other aspects that fit your personal elements of power, the kung fu template can be used as a social art, a guide to building social sucess as well as martial sucess. Motion and emotion parallel one another just as martial and social do.

Thus one learns to control motion and emotion in bothe contexts, martial and social situations.

You must be able to see kung fu in a universal way. The "Universal" is also a part of Gorin No Sho.

Thus, kung fu can be used as a template to create results, or if you will - sucess (depending upon your definition of the word).

This is the deeper meaning and "signifigance" of the art. Competition is superficial.

Much of this is also covered in the book of five rings.

It is revelant that Musashi's brilliant work and the books from which Chin Su Dek (Jimmy) taught are both from the same time peroid (17th century).

Also both arts share a Buddhist philosophy and although Gorin No Sho picks up tones of Taoist influence, CLHFHKFSS is colored with both Taoist and Buddhist thought.

P.S. Would you consider Tim successful at what he does. I would say so. Would I consider him an overall success. In two out od three catagories yes. So Tim being a kunfg fu SS master illustrates the point well. KFSS does teach relentless effective efficeincy and Timeteo displays these characteristics. This board is proof.

Credit where credit is do San Soo brethern.