Hey El V wrote
"As far as posting under one name, Why? You are responding to print here. Not to people"

Then later he goes on to offer profuse psychoanalysis on every one else who's posted and caught his attention !! Not such a smartass?

What a contradiction, responding to print not people but later providing psychoanalysis on the "person" yea right !!! The Ego has landed

Why yo full of shittbulbag!!

Please excuse my last post El V, I was playin around with the concept of soullessness El V but it proved elusive, I guess your full of it Dude !!!!

Must have touched on some truths, considering the reaction.

The provacative El V to the rescue!

Just sit with it for a while boys and girls, someday when you grow up it will all make sense.

Pan, Satori is way cool.

Power Of Now is the best kung fu book ever. Although it will take a complete education in the art to realize it as such.

So Quirlitos, fagitaboutit.

Hop - great posts. Good stuff.

I'll do a mediocraty thing in the fiuture. Yes, you can use it in school.

P. S. - Welcome to the newest Jack hater - Offical Quire name "Fatass."

I love it.

Clearly I pushed Jack's button w/ the BS psychoanalysis! Your tirade this weekend was really disturbing and it was completely appropriate that Tim censored it.
1. Your tirade wasn't piss and vinegar. It was a sadistic, military rape fantasy about underage ....ok, sorry Tim. Someone did a real number on you when you were growing up huh Jack?
2. You were doing this at 2:00 am on a Saturday morning...you must be living the good life huh Jack?

I have been reading these posts...You guys however are just annoying with your drivel
"look I'm smart...(insert pseudo philisophical bs) tell me I'm smart..."
"yeah you're smart...(insert pseudo philisophical bs)"
But then. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. Really. I figured the way you guys dish it you could take it. I didn't know Jack would blow a fuse. Do you guys get mad when you get hit back while sparring? I know I get mad, but I mostly get mad at myself for letting it happen.

why don't we discuss that? how do you handle the jackass you have to spar w/ every week? I used to spar w/ a typeA guy (ironically a trauma surgeon). He would come in and pound on everyone during the light contact drills. "gotta keep it real!" Instructor kept telling him to lighten up w/ no head shots, but he wouldn't listen. However, when I finally hit him back he freaked, took off his gloves and started spilling out explitives..."my head is my career"! What are you supposed to do?

P.S.
Grasshopper, if you ever get hit by a car and your guts are spilling out and you have an epidural hematoma, I know you'll be glad they took you to a U.S. ER/trauma center instead of down the street for a moxibustion treatment. Everything has its place (I go to TCM practicioners as well) and just like MAs there are a lot of bad doctors, but some real gems here and there. We all know how Lance Armstrong feels about western medicine.

apprentice here,
Tim to clarify you, SOMEONE decided to block my dads' computer so we now have to use the same one. My dad is 51, I'm 16, that's all you need to know. We both have different ideas about many issues. We are two different people. I do appreciate that you allow us to post and interact. But sometimes it seems like it has gone to your head. Almost seems like you play God. Deleting posts here and there, putting people down. Brainwashing students. But hey, thats just my opinion. Maybe you or anyone else has a different one, so dont take it to heart.

And now to Jack, my dad did buy the book and said it was great but I have yet to read it because my uncle is currently reading it.
I look forward to your next posts. Although I dont from others(piss and venom).
lol
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Apprentice

Tim:
Thanks for paying the rent!

Twenty years of extensive and intensive research into western and eastern mysticism and philosophy and it all came together for me by studying the posts and replies on this board.

Interstingly enough the offensive ones have proved to be the most beneficial for many reasons.

It is the duty of every instructor to make a student face the worst things in themselves. In so doing the instructor not only makes the student aware of an aspect of themselves and allows them to directly confront it. In confronting this aspect of self they learn! If the student fails to overcome turning their greatest weakness into their greatest strength and begins down the road of compulsion and obsession, well thats what instructors are their for.

Mr. V.
The greatest weakness of all living things is death. In confronting it and making peace with it is the beginning of greatness and compleate liberation. The ancient alchemist called it the Magnum Opus or Great Work. It was designed to confront this issue. Thank you for your posts!

As to meandering psychobable in an attempt to look smart and gain acceptance.....perhaps the attempt is more to simply inspire thought. How else do you create interest or movement amongst those who are immovable? Offend them?

Hop,

You get it. Are you in Cal? Very well-put. Are you a sleeper, a spook or mole? Done any military service? Tell us a little about your self.

A guy said to me, first I try this - he waved his hand. Then if I get no response, I try this -he flipped the finger. The second one always gets their attention, he said. I wouldn't know.

Loserboy,

The best thing about those posts was that it was fun and I love that author’s voice. You want another Jack voice; try Xing or Mon Ha Woo.

My thing is I never get emotionally involved when I'm doing someone. Just like doctors don't take it personally when they cut some one, neither does your Uncie J! Get it?

I am sure you are a white bread silver spoon wanabe fantasy tuff guy who lives in Minnesota and loves Jessie Ventura. Oooooh, my sparing partner. Where do you spar between the sheets?

You probably never have been in a fight and have the perfect little symmetrical face, because you have never been hit. Bet you never got your hands dirty a day in your life and your mommy was wipen your behind before the dodo hit the floor.

Probably iron your gee and say yes sir - no sir.

I crap bigger piles than you.

How was that Tim, tame enough?

PS - Try to keep the envy level to a minimum. Just cause I have a penis and you don't, aint no reason to get jealous and all.

Don't forget to wash your hands after you have been playing.

You've been warned, there are many bad diseases out there, wana be tuff guy.

And about how do you handle sparring partners? Beginners baby barf. If you don't know that, then you are obviously a debutant who still needs to get his cherry popped.

Hey, Tim tell him how most handled their aggressive partners at Jimmy's. The boys from the barrio, Temple City, El Monte, Industry Norwalk Santa fe Springs and East L.A.

Oh and App, don't give doctors any respect. They are mostly money hungry hypocrites. Nothing more than licensed drug salesmen.

PS the next poster gets a free douche from Shane cause you are the 650th post in this thread.

PSS. I will also pay 33 virgins, to shall we say, please you.

Who could it be now?

Apprentice here,
GG, I agree with you; somewhat.
But here's a question for you:What happens when the instructor is weak himself/herself? What happens when they are already on the road to obsession and compulsion?
To have a great student means to have a great teacher. There's some things in life that you do not learn on your own.
For example:You have to be taught how to defend yourself. It doesn't just fly from the air naturally. But if your teacher is unable to teach you properly, then you will not be able to defend yourslef properly.
Although for some people, the streets are their teachers, a.k.a., street fighters. They win some and lose some. But what they learn and what they develop, is valuable. Naturally, they know the ins and outs of how to dodge and then hit back hard and in the areas where it is most effective. You learn almost everything from experience. If you think about it, a teacher with vast experience would be better able to teach.
Now how would a teacher who has only learned from a sensei themself be able to teach a student opposed to someone who has been taught both by the street and by a sensei?
They say good help doesnt come cheap these days, so does that mean that we have to go to the best Hollywood gyms? Or go to the best dojos? No, it doesn't. You can find anything, anywhere. A good teacher could be your next door neighbor, a best friends parent, or anyone.
So in conlusion, what is a good instructor? Is a good instructor one who knows forms? Is it someone who is a great philosopher? Is it someone who is good at intsructing in general? Or is it someone who knows what they are doing?
To me; it's all of them.
There are many instructors in this world, but not all of them could have all of these traits. So what happens now...
btw tim, this wasnt geared at you
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Apprentice

apprentice here again,
I'll take the virgins (women perferably) and tell Shane he can smell his douche. Dont like vineger, ask Tim, he might jump on that offer. Yep right on Shanella's tranny self.
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apprentice

the V man!
i thougth we had nothing in common and never get along?!
but the quote about the power of NOW !
brilliant!!!
when is a fight going to take place???
in the now ,always!when else can it take place?
love you jack, marc

Jack,

"I know that the anti-comp crowd is bad for biz, so maybe we should all lighten up a bit."

Exactly the opposite, you've been very good for my business. You inspire the curious. When they come and see for themselves, I get more students. Post away.

Apprentice,

"Almost seems like you play God. Deleting posts here and there, putting people down. Brainwashing students."

And yet, you keep coming back.

If you think deleting profanity on a public internet forum (that anyone, including children can access) is playing God, you need to ask your papa about religion. Sometimes hitting the delete button is the only way to make up for other's self indulgent lack of moral conscience. You're only 16 for heaven's sake, your pop should be thanking me.

"Act externally in such a manner that the free exercise of thy Will may be able to coexist with the Freedom of all others, according to a universal Law"

Jack V, if that's your real name, have You ever been in the miltary? WHO exactly, are YOU? What great experiences can u enlighten us with? I get a feeling u may have been in the military, but u might be one of those who've never been in combat. seems the ones I met who have ever been in any real combat don't seem to talk with all this bravado u have been spewing all along. The ones I have ever met ( I know several war veterans of WWII and Vietnam and Gulf I+II )that have actually been in combat usually don't talk too much about how great war/killing and combat is. The ones I have met are usually a lot more mature about the subject. But perhaps (if u ever been shot at or killed others) you are of that small percentage that really relished or enjoyed what u did. I would just like to know where u are coming from. I've met plenty of veterans of "elite" units that never saw a day of combat who just love to tell people how great combat and killing is when actually they never did any of it. I by the way am an ex-infantryman myself.

Bob,

Right on brother. I was in the 4th Battalion of the 173rd Airborne Brigade, Recon Platoon in Vietnam from Apr 68 to Nov 69. There's nothing glorious about war, just a bunch of blood, death, dying, and killing. Only a madman would revel in seeing his friends killed and maimed or in killing others just because they happen to be on the other side. Of course for all of these guys who enjoy fighting, joining the military and volunteering for combat duty might be a good answer. That is if they enjoy being scared sh****ss most of the time. I'm not saying that I'm sorry I went to Vietnam as I've always felt that it was my duty to serve, so I wouldn't change that. I'm saying that it is a horrible experience that I'll live with for the rest of my life. I still have nightmares. I was awarded a bunch of medals but I sure as hell don't feel like a hero.

Charlie

Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing as Bob.
Jack V, your military experience is through online gaming huh? "Sleeper, spook, or a mole". c'mon jack who are you kidding?
GG and app you two can go drink jackie boy's kool-aid, but I'm warning you its just piss and vinegar (he seems to like that).

you can find jack at the top of bareback mountain waiting to disperse sage teaching upon you after he gets a mean drunk on. he'll teach you what made him the man he is today. exercises from the book "Power of OUCH". Who taught you these Jack? C'mon was it your scoutmaster? Your priest? Your uncle...is that why you refer to yourself as Uncle Jack? who hurt you jack?

GH and app, your beloved jack still lives at home w/ his mom. and has a restraining order or two (Halle doesn't want you hanging around outside her house anymore jack). you see, jack is in a lot of pain and crying out for help. he has no answers. thats why he has resorted to reading books like power of now.

never did make it past the 4th step in that 12 step program huh jack? put down those crystals and the silly books and call your sponsor. he'll want to know about your behavior this weekend. and while your at it, give your mom some money for the internet bill!

Charlie, Thanks for you service. Both of my Uncles served in Nam (one in LRRPs one as a helicopter crewcheif in Pleiku). Also a good friend of mine from Vietnam was what you might call a Nung(chinese mercenaries hired by US govt, sure u heard of them).

Loserboy,

You can run but you cannot hide.

Never been in a fight huh? Try it sometimes. You probably do not have the balls to roll the variables. You'd puke at the first sign of blood, knowing of course that will be your own.

Another valiant ring warrior, except you probably have not been in a sport fight either (that's an oxymoron).

Keep that panty knot centered on your clit for maximum enjoyment.

Tim,

Well if you are so concerned about offending any one, what about Fatasses link to a crucified Jesus submerged in urine. I bet only about 70% of this nation would be offended by that. See how tricky the what to sensor and what not to censor game gets.

Well are you going to delete it?

No, Jack.

Why Tim?

Because it does not offend me, Jack. And I am the "decider" - just like Bush, to borrow Fatasses phrase - BAwhahaaaa!

So Tim, what are the censorship rules?

And you never did explain to Pussyman, I mean Loserboy, how to handle that "agressive sparing partner." Pussyman, ask the little alligator on your pink shirt.

As far as post on, well Super Tim, I always told you I am the Hanity and you are the Combs, so clean them spectacles and I will be expecting my check, seeing that you admit Jack just keeps on bringing them in. How many posts now? 650+ and keep on counting. If they ever new this was a set-up between you and me to spurn popularity, do you think they would stop posting?

At this rate, Shamey won't be able to keep the douche bag filled.

Marc Dumbest, your name speaks for itself and no amount of ass kissing can gain you salvation. Unless you pucker just right. Now go watch WWF or whatever it is you jerk off too.

Well ladie, yes, I like to fight. So whats wrong with that. What, you can't do a little jail time? Got somethin against tats. You guys don’t want to sacrifice your front teeth or can’t deal with the reality of hurting some one who is trying to hurt or kill you? Gonna have nightmares. Suffer in silence like the real trench todders.

Cry me a river and get a prescription of Valium or ambient if you can’t sleep.

Whaaaa, I am gonna die. Well yes you are folks, so suck it up and accept it. Quit cryin bout your past circumstances. Just what we need, more whiney vets. Be proud of your service. We are Heroes, even if some of us do not feel like it.

I enlisted and loved it. As far as my service goes unless you can show me that you deserve my respect, topic is closed especially to bitches and civilians. I will not share the honor of my service with such a bunch of bottom dwelling anti american jesus hateing undeserving twits. Bleed for you country and then ask me about service.

T6973, I used to like you, now you have made me ashamed of your whiney ass.

Oh Bob, (like in wrap your lips around the knob)

Read some of my hundreads of posts, you know how to read right? hem, maybe you will get it, but I doubt it. Oh, you might want to try the Who is Jack Vincient thread.

Sidewinder comin at ya.

They say humour is healing.....O man am I a healing!!!!!!!!!

Very interesting posts on the subject of military service and experience. To anyone who has served-Thank you.

I had a unique experience of moving in ontop of a former Seal Team commander in Vietnam. He recieved a battlefield commission of LT simply because he lived through 2 teams of men and often asked the question "Why them and not me?"

He never spoke about things to much. But when he did I learned. He was a biker all tatted out with the big beard and belly. We quickly became good friends and drank like fish and went to tittie bars all over West Palm Beach, Fl. He thought of me as a the son he had but lost at a young age.

He was a scary guy to approach, especially when he was at my door complaining about all the noise I made moving in. He was a genuine killer. The type that used to kick the captured enemies out a helicopters into the hands of people wearing white giao suits and masks at camps that were plowed under a week later.
He was pissed when the war ended cause he was out of a job. Even with all this he was a gentle giant and a loving man.

I was with him the day he passed at the Vet Hospital out near Lake Okeechobee. The last thing he said to me was " I dont regret killin any of those gooks."

Judge him how you may.

The taught me so many valuable things about life. Some of which include: I did what I did so you wouldnt have too. No one is going to care of you except you and if your gonna do it, do it first class.

He was never given medals because ,well, you can figure it out.

I love him and miss him too this day.

Everyone knew him as "Hermit". Very few people knew him as Dennis. Fewer knew him as an LT., Seal Team 2, Bravo Squad, I Corp II Corp 69-73.

"Honour before God".

Every morning he woke up he ritually said the comment "Another black day in hell" or his favorite quote from one of the logs he carried in Buds/UDT "Misery loves company".

I loved his company and he loved mine. I even moved in with him for awhile in a fishing camp. For a man who knew such violence when I was with him I only knew peace. Except of course the peices of vomitus I spewed when we would kill a bottle or two of Seagrams V.O..
What is the measure of a man? From his actions? The size of this mans heart and love inside eclipsed all the actions that he did whether good or bad. It is this love he had inside that I remember most about him.