Found an interesting vid, thought maybe others might find it interesting too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRVxw4MVrNQ

Nice throw.

Prolly would have been safer to follow up by mounting though. Usually better to argue your point of veiw from on top.

HeyChris,

When you say the word "prolly" does it sound like there's a 'B' in it?

Nope. Thats the way we say it in Fresno.

It was a nice throw, aside from the fact that the thrower hit his head on the pavement. when he got up he couldnt fight anymore. did he hit his head?

why do you state something : 'aside from the fact that the thrower hit his head on the pavement'

and then follow it with a question that seems to be a direct contradiction : 'did he hit his head?'

regarding this video: Harai Goshi is almost impossible not to do as a something of a sacrifice throw, which is how it's trained in competitive judo; with the understanding that you will be falling, and intending to do so on top of the schmuck. It's usually hip to hip or hip to ribs, rarely in the favor of the throwee.

Harai goshi is not a sacrifice throw, if you fall while you throw your opponent, especially with harai goshi, that means that you are throwing yourself way off balance. imo harai goshi is a standing throw, and the throw the kid did in the clip was a left side ippon seonage, his head was to far from his feet, and you cant stand horizontally, thats why he fell on his head.

it was a nice throw, but i guess the kid just had to learn a lessonthe hard way.

it looked to me like the kid being thrown was the only one whos head hit the ground. (and he was able to get up, remove his backpack and continue to fight.)

Just proving that if someone is determined- it could take a lot to really stop them.

robert: while you are right that the throw was performed to the left, I think that you missed the use of the leg to block/lift, the hall mark of Harai Goshi.
You are also correct, in that Harai Goshi is not a 'sacrifice' throw in the strict sense that tani otoshi or sumi gaeshi is. However, if you ever start training with people who know what real judo is, or compete at a high level, or even just watch clips of high level tourneys like Tre Torri or Rendez-Vous, you will observe something about Harai/hane Goshi and Uchi Mata: Against a real opponent, the pull (kuzushi/off-balancing/whathaveyou) required is so great that it's difficult to commit enough to the throw to make it successful with out going down with your opponent.

man i thought i posted this already,

ive done rondori with olympic level judokas combining principals ive learned from books on tai chi, (groundfighting excluded yet to learn), and my teachers tell me i perform very well.

jason, dont worry... when you get better at judo, you will realize that subtle changes in your opp posture, weight, and intent, will serve you much better in being able to apply kuzushi to the point where you can redirect, control and or neutralize your opponents force and he will be off balance and in your hands without even realizing it,( i practice combining taichi and judo) (tim can do this i can tell, not many i have come across can...). when you reach this point there really is no need to commit to wild throws which throw you off balance and put you at risk to attack, especially counters!

for judo tourneys this may be okay since the first person to flip loses, but on the streets, you dont wanna throw yourself to the ground and possibly injure yourself like the kid in the clip.


its okay though, i threw myself off balance all the time in the beginning, soon you may even learn the ways of a true judoka. lol

thats what you get for insulting me, implying that i have not sparred with anyone who knows real judo.

ask jaime, we trained with a man who learned from mifune. i sparred jaime too, and threw him over my head!

hahaha jk jaime... if you are reading this, send me an e-mail roberthappy@lycos.com, how have you been and what have you been up too? are there still classes going on? still attending?

Yes
Most of the techniques you attempted were over your head.
And not surprising when you thow from a position with your back on the mat.
Jin Iizumi sensei teaches Tues and Thurs at the San Diego Dojo that has recently moved next to the San Diego Sports Arena, anyone interested can visit their website SanDiegoDojo.com
I have no affiliation or knowledge of any other instructors or classes there, I only go to learn from Iizumi Sensei SoftJudo.com

When I "Go Down On an Opponet" just to score a win
I feel as if I have already lost

Hi Jamie,

You are fortunate to be studying with Iizumi Shihan. Everything I have heard about him is amazing. Hopefully I will be able to get out to California sometime soon to train with Tim and maybe even Iizumi.

Richard:
Please let me know when you are out here to train at Shen Wu, I will do what I can to introduce you to Iizumi Shihan.
I drive from San Diego to Shen Wu to workout when I have the chance and would gladly drive up there when your in California.
Quite honestly making the opportunity to train with Tim is probally the smartest decision I have made in the past couple of years.
Moreover I can not praise the group enough with their hospitality and friendliness in creating a safe environment conducive to learning and fun during the open mat sessions I have been lucky enough to attend. The Shen Wu Tim has created is very cool, I hope to meet you there.
Jamie

hey jaime!

its good to hear from you! dont take me seriously when i said i threw you, i was just kidding.
It sure has been a while! i wonder if sensei iizumi still remembers me, the young punk who paid for classes but never came! lol!


i think you're a good guy jaime, thanks for introducing me to sensei iizumi, he is a great teacher!

take care! robert.

dude...

here's where I train:

www.sportjudo.net

there's some people there that are OK.



but i think that we've been over this before.

by the way, who were these 'olympic level judokas?', that's pretty great by the way, there's not much tougher than trying to hang in stand up randori with people like that.

and no, I no longer teach the san da class described on the webpage, so don't ask me to teach you that too.

these guys are super fast with foot sweeps man, its pretty frustrating, even the 240 pounder i was sparring with was throwing 3 throw combos at me, all in all he attempted about 13 throws, landed 5 and i got him ONCE, with a foot sweep that i threw out like 6 times bfore it actually caught him, though i did feel happy with myself for being able to neutralize a good amount of his throws, (until he started throwing combos at me lol, the teachers were laughing at me) the other guy was about my size but super fast, he caught me with a foot sweep(the teachers were laughing again), the second round he attempted uchi mata and i countered by stepping in front of his lead leg and using a simple ogoshi, didnt pull it off though, he was just too quick and slipped out at the last minute, i was then told to take it easy on the guy because its just practice. lol, which kind of pissed me off and ruined my flow, i mean c'mon now, the guy is a super black belt and you're telling me to take it easy?? the guy i was sparring didnt mind though, but i guess his was probably trying to preserve himself for upcoming tournaments.

all super aggressive, thats why i was able to hang by throwing counter throws, and trying to mimic the combos they would use on me. i dont see very many (actually none)skilled super calm people who can execute throws like tim in live rondori.

okay better get back to work for i get in trouble!!!

peace.

so that there was there name, huh...

They are Olympic, and so are you, by extension, even if you only got one foot sweep in, it's how many throws you stiff-armed on these guys that counts.

sorry their sissy coach told you to calm down.

haha, thanks...

"soon you may even learn the ways of a true judoka. lol"

i ain't laughin

well then maybe your bi-polar @ss should take your meds;)

bi-polar (of or having two poles, two opposite extremes) is a serious disorder that causes people to act in unpredictable, irrational and inconsistent ways.

My responses to you and your posts have remained fairly consistent.

I take my training in Judo pretty seriously, as do many of my colleagues where I train. I have three primary coaches; a former Olympian, a 2006 Senior Nationals Champion (in the open division, even though he is not in the heaviest weight class) and a young woman who is currently ranked 6th in the US in the 63kg Division. Also training at my club is the #2 in that division, and the #6 at 70kg.

Is it Pedro's or Morris's? No, but we take it pretty serious all the same.

No offense to anyone, but is it me, or does it seem that you cannot swing a dead cat without hitting some Judo olympian, or alternate to the olympic team, or some ex-olympian? I kind of find it hard to believe their are so many players at an olympic level here in the states.
Same with state wrestling champs! Seems to me that EVERYONE and their brother was a state wrestling champ at some point!!
Just curious of you all's opinion.
Jake

sure buddy, one day you are all cheer and fun, and the next you're looking for a fight...

but its all good, keep training guy!!! and remember, this is an internet forum, so its mostly just for fun, please dont take me too seriously.

Jake:

Perhaps it is the fact that there is so much oppurtunity for competition, that there are so many 'champions'.

As regards Olympians; there is only one Judo Olympian teaching in DC that I know of, I train under him, and his daughter is quite close to making the team. She has the misfortune of being in the same weight class as the 2004 Olympian who is much better funded and has amassed far more points in international competition.

There are only about 2-3 athletes in every weight class that are ever close to making the team at any given time, and it has mostly to do with IOC sponsorship. Hence, there is usually only one competitor that has the money to go to europe and asia for the A level tourneys, and hence there is usually only one fighter really in the runnings. That means that there about 8-12 fighters of each sex. But that is every four years. I'd guess that there are around 125-150 'Olympians' in judo in the states that are alive. I don't think all teach.

Jake:
I think like the "State Champ" lable used to validate competitive wrestlers Judokas that compete seroiusly at a the National Level are often unofficially saddled with the Olympian title.
I know of only one true Olympian in San Diego and that is Jake Flores.

there is actually going to be a trial for the 2008 team, in Vegas.

It will be held side by side with the Wrestling team trials(Freestyle (men's and women's) and Greco). Should be a pretty cool event. Great cross-promotion of both sports. Which is what judo desperately needs.