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BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!! Shenwu forum throw down cage fight in the pitt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jake you'r in!!!

Fine. If you can't beat 'em,... House of pain, baby!!!

I'm old. That's the kind of stuff we said to each other the last time I had to say something like that. And considering the tone the thread was taking, it seemed like people wanted me to say it. Glad that got cleared up.

Now we •••• can •••• go •••• back •••• to the discussion.

that is ••••••• asweome

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what started into a great thread turned into this... http://www.break.com/index/gay-zombies.html

Bob#2

*RUNS*

hey guys, even though i love •••• talking and challenges. i would like to get this thread back on track.

dave c, i studied wing chun for years and i and was a national qualifier for freestyle wrestling.

it as when i started to fight in sanshou tournaments that i learned that there were what i called 'mother' techniques or principles. Priniciples and movements that were unversal in any rational method combat. e.g having correct posture/structure/alignment, the 45 degree optimal angle of attack and defense, centerline theory, etc.

when i got to shen wu i realized what tim had done is he had already been through the gamut of various styles and training and he had already found these mother principles and techniques and complied and organized them. and from his success as a teacher and competitor we know it works, and those who have sparred or rolled with tim or the wu can attest this themselves.

this being said, it seems as if one can come to realize all these 'mother' principles and techniques just by sparring a bunch.

true, but IMO what separated the teachers who had a deeper understanding of these mother movements from the others was their understanding of human anatomy.

i believe this the path all martial artists take when seeking truth in combat.

pragmatism + human body = shen wu (martial essence)

JP

p.s. Jake i will be in bellevue visiting family in july. have you rolled with gracie barra out there?

LOL @ JP trying to establish internet cred!

Everyone can speculate what they think they know about the evolution of Shenwu or Shenwu in general, but they will probably be wrong. Only Tim knows for sure. The art is constantly changing as Tim is constantly improving and modifying what he teaches.

I heard his real goal is to explode chickens into chicken strips from a distance.

First Tim will have to get skinny and unhealthy looking, I hear all true masters must look sickly.

I agree jp,


but i think also, what separated the teachers who had a deeper understanding of these mother movements was not only their knowledge of anatomy from dissection and experimentation, was their drive sense of purpose and just plain talent and ability to create whole scientific martial arts systems based on these principles.

Tim
In terms of body use and efficiency of movement how did practicing BJJ/SUB wrestling change your understanding as opposed to just doing cma/stand up.
I was also wondering how from a teachers point of view you evaluate new students who come along , is there a couple of things you look out for ?

Lastly it seems to me from my limited perspective that the quicker people learn to relax a little the quicker they get things and can improve. I know it took me a long time to get over trying to bull my way through people and just being explosive all the time instead of using it when appropriate. A lot of people never seem to learn this.
How did you address this yourself and help other people address it ?


Garrett

Hey Garrett,

Grappling on the ground and ground fighting in general opened up a whole new world of movement and technical possibilites for me, and gave me daily opportunities to apply what I learned or theorized against capable resisting opponents.

When I start teaching new students, I can usually guage their level of coordination and natural talent fairly quickly. The most important factors that pertain to how fast they will learn are how much or little ego they bring to the training, and how soon they learn to relax appropriately. Some students have the "can't stand losing" ego, they are hard to teach. Other students have the "can't let go of my previous training even though I know it doesn't work" ego, they are also hard to teach.

thanks tim

ventura do i know you?

JP

"Other students have the "can't let go of my previous training even though I know it doesn't work" ego, they are also hard to teach."

LOL