Tim: Are throws effective against people who greatly outweigh you?

Tim's Discussion Board: Shen Wu : Tim: Are throws effective against people who greatly outweigh you?
   By Alexander Heyne on Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 11:19 pm: Edit Post

Hi Tim & Others. I was flipping through the site and really like your philosophy on martial arts and how you've blended the IMA with other methods.

I have a quick question: in terms of throws, is there always some way to toss someone even if they greatly out weight you?

I'm about 150 pounds, 6'1". I have some buddies who are about 250 pounds and the same height -- would many of the same principles apply to tossing another 150lb person around as someone outweighing you dramatically?

Thanks


   By Shane on Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 11:58 pm: Edit Post

If you get the balance and the leverage right, its easy to throw folks who out-weigh you.

Tim has great demonstrations of this in his 'Standing Grappling' DVD.


   By Jake Burroughs on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 11:03 am: Edit Post

Tim is 150#'s and EASILY tosses my big dumb ass around at 6'4" 230#'s! Same with my BJJ coach!
One time I asked why he almost immediately clinches with me when sparring; "Because you are too big to trade strikes with. I need to get in and use technique and leverage to overcome you!"


   By Backarcher on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 01:56 pm: Edit Post

This is something a wrote last year:

Topic: Throwing a One legged fighter and a ballet dancer!

I know it may sound strange, but this is who you want to throw in the clinch.

You either want to throw a fighter who is supporting himself on the smallest base possible, with all of his weight distributed on one leg or you want to throw a fighter who is on his toes(like a ballet dancer) or balls of his feet. This is referred to as Kazushi in Judo. Every good BJJ fighter who attempts a sweep from the guard is familiar with this concept, for before you sweep your opponent you must bring his weight forward.

How you get there is your choice.

A high single from the clinch, requires that you lean or push into your opponent or "shot put" the underhook to cause the weight shift on the far leg, which lightens the near leg...the one you will capture.

The same with a knee block.

A bearhug from the front will not be effective unless the squeeze from your grip (lower back) and push from your upperbody causes your opponent to rise to his toes.

All arm and shoulder throws work best when you catch the weight shift from one leg to the other or when you bring him to his toes first.

A bodylock from the side is most effective when you make your opponent carry all of your weight on one side of his body. Then, you just block the weighted knee.

An effective footsweep is done when your opponent’s weight has been shifted and your opponent is balancing on one leg.

Any type of twisting bodylock from the front is most effective when you have your opponent's chest connected to your own...with no space. This will bring your opponent on his toes, just before you twist.

The lateral drop is most effective when it's done with a TIGHT overhook. The tight overhook cause a weight shift on that side of his body. He is actually on one leg when you throw him.

Any hip throw done correctly is done when you lift and pull first bringing your opponent on his toes.

If your opponent’s legs are in motion before your throwing attempt, he is either on the balls of his feet, in the middle of a weight shift (on one leg) or both!


I believe this can be practiced as a “live” drill in itself.

This is often a vital missing point in throwing. People try to throw people who are static and on two flat feet. I don't care how big someone is...he's a lot lighter when he is balancing on his toes, heels or one leg!


   By robert on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 06:26 pm: Edit Post

It depends on how good you are at throwing, how strong you are, and how much bigger and stronger this guy is then you. and if he has any grappling or throwing experience.

I remember a ratio that tim mentioned, went something like "if the guy is 50 percent stronger, you have to be one hundred percent better in technique."

Did i get that right?


   By Tim on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 07:00 pm: Edit Post

Right Robert.


   By Bob #2 on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 02:09 pm: Edit Post

that's why I'm glad I'm 99% stronger than most.

B2


   By robert on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 03:04 pm: Edit Post

See?

I do try to retain the wisdom i learn here!lol


   By Martin Pentony on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 03:25 pm: Edit Post

Got his dead angle just right :-)

utube vid


Add a Message


This is a private posting area. Only registered users and moderators may post messages here.
Username:  
Password: