Archive through November 11, 2003

Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Stop having sex: Archive through November 11, 2003
   By Tim on Monday, November 10, 2003 - 01:33 pm: Edit Post

My first thought is that someone who wasn't allowed to have sex or eat meat would have to rationalize it somehow (it's good for my martial arts!)

Second, the best fighters in the world eat meat and have sex, I've never heard a world class fighter recommend abstinence from either one.

My teachers never talked to me about sex. They only talked to me about martial arts.

   By Bob #2 on Monday, November 10, 2003 - 05:40 pm: Edit Post

If that were true Morrisey would be one tough dude.


   By Arek (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, November 10, 2003 - 06:13 pm: Edit Post

I thought rickson said in an interview he doesnt have sex a week before the fight.

   By THE (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, November 10, 2003 - 06:36 pm: Edit Post

It is obvious that you do not agree with that aspect of Chinese Medicine/Theory. However, there is evidence that a majority of Internal Martial Art and QI Qong Masters have recommended to substain from ejaculating to effeciently practice internal exercises and arts. With the amount of time you had put forth into the Internal Arts, I am suprised that none of your teachers had discussed this topic with you.

Not trying to be offensive, but since the Chinese are strong supporters of their own medicine and theory, and Internal Martial Art Masters (mainly Bagua, Xing I, and Tai Chi) commonly study if not practice Chinese Medicine.....Would'nt a student or teacher have some sort of support to these cultural Beliefs?

   By rumbrae (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, November 10, 2003 - 07:04 pm: Edit Post

Many of the tops IMA's recommend abstinence, its a topic normally taught when one knows their teacher on a more personal level. Higher levels of qi and spiritual attainment (according to IMA terms), yes. Even the more debatable aspects of fighting like 6th sense and avoidance, yes.

But when it comes to fighting one does not need a high level of qi to win. If one has a high level of qi and spiritual attainment will one resort to gutter fighting that usually wins on the street? nope.

   By THE (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 12:31 am: Edit Post

I agree.
Practitioners of higher levels of the Internal art have developed a higher levels of qi and spiritual attainment and never show their skill in brawls of fights, because at that level, they are completely satisfied with themselves and feel no need for that.
Bagua, Xing I, and Tai Chi all involve constant Qi Qong practice to develope true "Jin" (Energy from Qi). As a matter of fact, many Qigong masters insist that you should not have sex three days before and four days after practice. This is because Sex depletes your Qi and sperm, and the Qi level in the lower portion of you body is lower than normal. When you practice Qigong under these conditions, it is like doing heavy exercise right after sex. Furthermore, when your Qi level is abnormal, your feeling and sensing are also not accurate. You ahould wait until the Qi level regains its normal balance before you resume Qigong practice. Only then will the Essence-Qi conversion proceed normally and efficiently.
This is one of the important beliefs that are stongly accepted in the Internal Martial Art master community. Such rules have been passed down by generations of masters (Any one with a well round knowledge of the Chinese Internal Arts should have some Idea of this).
To sum it up. Being celibate does not increase your Qi, It is the stationary placement and Essence-Qi conversion of the sperm that assits the Qi to nourish your body. In fact, there are certain Daoist Qigong techinques which teach men how not to lose Qi during sexual activity.
Agian, all this is not foriegn, but in fact accepted by if not all most Internal Martial Art MASTERS.

   By Josh (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 07:58 am: Edit Post

One thing that I've noticed about not having sex for more than two weeks is that I start to go nuts. Angry, irritable,etc....Most of the guys that I know have a similar reaction to abstinence. My question is this; if you are not going to have sex, how do you keep your brain from exploding?And if the concern is about chi, what about doing sexual chi kung or meditation? It just seems that abstinence might cause more harm than good.

   By THE (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 02:25 pm: Edit Post


One does this by not allowing his emotions take over their "wisdom mind". Ex: If one has sex urges, he blocks this out of his mind by saying I have other things I need to take care of first (I know easier said than done). But This is accomplished through constant meditation so one can learn how to regulate the mind more effeciently and not allowing his or her emotions or urges control ones self.

To get into more detail. For anyone who has truly tried to meditiate, it is difficult in the beggining because their is constant thoughts being ran through the mind (ex: What I'm I going to eat today, When I'm I going to have sex). But no matter how long these thoughts run in your mind, one still continues with his meditation and breathing until all thoughts are gone from the mind. Properly practicing this will help in achieving your first question.
Most Chinese masters have rules for practicing Chi Kung and meditation; Don't practice on a full stomach, When you need to use the rest room, when you just had sex, etc.)
Chinese say that the issue is not having sex, Its busting a nut (losing or displacement of the sperm). There are books written by masters who are well experieced in Chi Kung, Meditation, and the Internal Arts that you can check out.

   By Dragonprawn on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 03:52 pm: Edit Post

If you want to stop having sex because it helps your training just get married!

   By Mark Hatfield (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 03:56 pm: Edit Post

"A quiet mind can still be a dull and stupid mind." Krishnamurti.

   By ZING (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 04:19 pm: Edit Post

"Quieting the mind is not ment for the dull and stupid"

   By Maciej (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 05:33 pm: Edit Post

Josh, just masturbate.

   By Josh (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 05:50 pm: Edit Post


   By Tim on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 06:33 pm: Edit Post

The, Rumbrae,
I have a question. What exactly do you mean when you say "higher levels of the Internal arts" and "higher levels of qi and spiritual attainment?"

Can you demonstrate these higher levels?

I don't know if you consider my level of martial arts "higher" or not, but I can certainly demonstrate what I know.

I know about the Daoist ideas about sex and abstinence (I've read all about them in Chinese).

I know it's not the norm, but my IMA teachers actually taught martial arts. And they could demonstrate their level too.

   By Brian Kennedy on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 07:10 pm: Edit Post

Both western boxers and chinese boxers used to think that sex somehow had a negative effect on martial arts performance.

It is simply pre-scientific ignorance and superstition. Martial arts-be it western boxing, western wrestling, Chinese taiji, bagua, or xingyi-is a physical activity. And students of any of those arts would do well to spend more time reading modern studies of sports performance as published by reputable universities and less time playing "Dungeons and Chi Dragons" and pretending they are Taoist Sword Immortals.

If you want to "pretend things" I would recommend either go into pre-school teaching, join a theater group, or start writing fictional short stories but please keep the out of martial arts.

Although I do not admire or condone most of what the Chinese Communist Party has ever done, one thing I do agree with 100% is the attempt to divest Chinese martial arts of its many superstitions. Actually that approach started with the Nationalist government in the 1920s.

Well, time to get to work,
take care,

   By Josh (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 08:25 pm: Edit Post

I agree, fighting the purple headed hero is definitely a good way to keep yourself from going bonkers when you haven't had sex in a while. My thinking is this; in a place and time in which it is necessary to work in a populated place(especially if you work retail or restaurants), deal with neighbors, landlords, girlfriends ,kids a friendly and courteous manner(to some know how sensitive people can be these days)it is practically impossible to function effectively and still enjoy your life if one is restricting and containing one of the most basic and primal animal instincts that people have which seems to be sexual instinct. It's neccesary, I think, to have some mastery of ones emotions and feelings, but sexual impulse is going pretty deep into the human experience when it comes to harnessing oneself. Sure, you can't look at some girl, get turned on and instantly be bumping uglies. There are some restrictions that one has to put on oneself. My whole point with this droning is that during the long process of learning how to channel sexual impulse through meditation practice, one is going to be pretty cranky. And with all of these modern social obligations and necesities, it is practically impossible to function in an enjoyable and efficient way if one is going nuts learning how to supress or dissolve the most basic impulse. I wasn't around hundreds or even thousands of years ago, so I'm not too sure how this was, but I am under the impression that most of the celibate meditators and martial artists lived in an environment that was conducive to celibacy i.e mountain retreats, or just keeping out of the social spot light. I dunno, I just think times were different. I think that if celibacy is something that one is interested in now, it seems like it would be best to put oneself in that sort of environment or set up ones life in a way that it is practical to practice these methods. I do not think that this is possible or natural for alot of people.

   By jashjhsdjsahdas (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 10:17 pm: Edit Post

I boycotted dating all throughout highschool, because I thought, excuse me, I think it is a useless bureaucratic waste of time and girls in highschool have rotten, sh*tty attitudes. I was constantly getting rejected because I was a little nerdy. Everyone kept giving crap saying " how can you boycott it if you have never had a girlfriend?" So I figured I would give it a try. I did some of those personal ads, and give me an R! Give me an E! Give me a jection! What does that spell? These young girls in their early twenties suck the big one. They are so phony and full of sh**! They say stuff in their personal ad like "I am such a nice and friendly person" or "I don't judge people on their looks". But when I send them an email, they probably say stuff like "ewww, look at this loser! Screw him!" I kept getting bad ratings on my photos. And also, if your going to beg and plead for people to send you an email, how about fou respond to them! Also, personal ad services are not a snobby screening process. Its especially bullsh** trying to interact with them face to face. When guys try to approach you and be friendly, you turn on some pissy, bitchy attitude and act like complete a holes. You guys need to grow the f*** up! You guys act like a bunch of fifteen year old highschool kids. I mean come the f*** on! You are still treating me like a reject just because I am nerdy looking and I am not cool enough. You are too old to be pulling that sh**. You guys have no respect for other people's feelings. Insted, your too busy worring about your cell phones, or your stupid dance clubs, or getting f***ed all the time. And don't get me started on that bulls*** "bad boy image". How about this. How about I hit you with a baseball, no better yet, a cricket bat and smack you so hard your kids will be born dizzy. There! Is that "bad" enough for you? So I have had enough! I am back to the old drawing board. I will not be speaking to you or making eye contact with you or interacting with you dik heads for some time now. And I expect you guys to do the same. I am not saying I am boycotting dating for the rest of my life. I will start dating when I feel respected and when girls start treating me like a human being. So until then, go f*** yourself, kiss my a**, eat my s***, suck my d**k, and go to hell!

   By adrwak (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 10:39 pm: Edit Post

just have not developed being smooth enough to talk to women and ask questions to carry on a converation.

So I fail to start a conversation and get to know them.

My reason for being shy is that I was not able to develop my social skills with women while growing up. I had a strict Asian upbringing where the parents will tell you to get an education first and girls/love will come later. So, if you don't practice, you'll never get good at it nor will you learn to develop a thick skin to women saying "NO" to you.

It's hard for me to imagine a woman being interested in me. To me it seems like the chance for success is so small that it is hard for me to take that initiative, because when the inevitable happens I just end up looking foolish.

   By Kushan101 (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 10:58 pm: Edit Post

I don't think guys who have sex regularly are in a minority. Although do see that females have a much easier time of it, i don't believe that men don't dont have sex with ease either.

I don't have sex with ease, but then again i'm not the average man.

The average guy, as far as i've seen, can easily jump from relationship to relationship, having sex with little difficulty.

Everywhere i go, i see guys with girls, & don't tell me those guys arent having sex.

I think guys like me, 24 y/o virgins, are in the minority, at least that's the feeling i get.

If there were some kind of evidence or proof that adult male virgins are in abundance, i'd be extremely surprised, maybe even feeling very relieved in my situation.

Until i hear such evidence, i'll continue to see myself as a loser, as don't think i've achieved what the average joe has, in terms of luck & success with the ladies.

I've lowered the bar about as far as i know how & i still get no attention from women.

I think i need to make clear that just because a woman happens to be the slutty type, it doesn't mean she's open to anything or anyone. Sluts want guys they find *hot* too!

And, yes, sluts will reject you, just as other women will, if they find you unappealing. So i'm really outta luck!

-the jolly Loser