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Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Stop having sex: Archive through November 16, 2003
   By rumbrae (Unregistered Guest) on Saturday, November 15, 2003 - 08:17 pm: Edit Post

Bai He & Spinal Tap,

Neither do I idolize teachers nor do I attach my own ability to theirs. Ma is just one person of many. I didnít pick Ma and donít defend Ma, he spoke for himself through a post by THE and so has Tim. I only compared the two.

Reality fighting examples.

When I first started MA I learned from a white guy who grew up in an orphanage on an Indian reservation. He had a one mile walk to school and almost everyday he was beat up usually by more than one Indian kid normally with sticks. As he got older the anti was upped to forks, knives, shop tools and anything they could get their hands on. He never graduated upon reaching age of adult because he was busy tending wounds, sometimes for months, other times terrified of the walk to school. He learned how to fight in reality. I would bet my money on him anyday. He is currently considering a movie title based on his life experience after the success of The Hunted. Around the age of 25 he started learning IMA and has done so now for 25 years, his musings about reality fighting and IMA are very interesting to say the least.

My arnis teacher who grew up in the Philippines is 65 now learned directly from death match arnisadors. He has seen the inside of many bodies, and many body parts. He wonít talk about deaths, but knows some who are in prison for a long time. After several years and close friendship with his teachers he was finally taught how to fight in the context of reality. They are very different.

If you want to learn to drive do you practice on an arcade driving game with the fake steering wheel and fake gas and brake pedals, or, do you get in a real car and drive on a real road? If you want to learn to fight do you practice in a dojo and wear tights in front of an audience, or, learn on the street or in a prison yard?

Itís hilarious when arcade fighters talk about reality and then call others chi huggers.


   By BAIHE (Unregistered Guest) on Saturday, November 15, 2003 - 09:42 pm: Edit Post

Wow! You answered exactly none of my questions tough guy!

" is that the best they can do? There is NO comparison to Ma."

Your words not mine. If you want to talk to someone who has played hands with this name your bandying about, go to Emptyflower and PM George Wood. He may help you clean up some of the crap you're talking.

"If you want to learn to drive do you practice on an arcade driving game with the fake steering wheel and fake gas and brake pedals, or, do you get in a real car and drive on a real road? If you want to learn to fight do you practice in a dojo and wear tights in front of an audience, or, learn on the street or in a prison yard?"

Do you? Do you train life and death scenarios every day?

These two "Masters" you talk about must be deadly. We have to take your word for it. Take my word here, Tim Cartmell, Su Dong Chen, Luo Dexiu and some of the current crop of "High Level" IMA teachers would probably crush both your "Masters" without breaking a sweat.

We've heard what you think. That's what I think.



   By Tim on Saturday, November 15, 2003 - 11:12 pm: Edit Post

THE

I have nothing against any of the practices you mentioned. I'm glad they are working for you. I just hope you realize there are many other methods of improving your IMA.

Have I ever said I never practiced sexual abstinence?


Juan,

I like you already. Where did you learn to make sense like that?

Spinal Wave,

Same.

Ian,
Don't ask rumbrae to define or demonstrate higher levels of IMA or qi, it makes him frustrated and angry and he then resorts to making smartass remarks, writing a lot without saying anything.

rumbrae,
I'm still waiting for a definition or demonstration of higher levels of IMA or qi.

Your IMA and arnis teachers sound like real fighters (not the revealing tight wearing arcade kind). Were either of them celibate?

One more question. Have you ever farted around with mere sport fighting? If not, you might want to experience a little before discounting what it takes. I've found it much more difficult (and enlightening) than fantasizing about mysterious, more than normal powers.

Fun John,

If logic were a place, you'd be mayor.

Baihe,

You cool.


   By Kenneth Sohl on Saturday, November 15, 2003 - 11:15 pm: Edit Post

Ah, but I bet Tim and the rest don't have "God" on their side, eh?


   By Kenneth Sohl on Saturday, November 15, 2003 - 11:21 pm: Edit Post

Yegads! Pre-empted again!


   By rumbrae (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 01:03 am: Edit Post

Tim,

You accuse me of being frustrated, angry and not capable of answering your questions.

If that is what you believe, why is it the only thing available you choose to do is publicly congratulate those who agree with you, command others not to engage me, bandy the troops against me, and belittle me?

It's interesting that those who take upon themselves the role and responsibilities of teaching others represent themselves in such a way.

:-)


   By BAIHE (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 08:49 am: Edit Post

"It's interesting that those who take upon themselves the role and responsibilities of teaching others represent themselves in such a way."

Ummm, think about where you are. You come to Tim's home (this Shenwu board) and start taking a dump on his lawn. You draw the ire of the other party guests and hold time responsible?

You should stop banking your sperm. Do an emergency withdrawal 'cause it's making you
loopy.


   By rumbrae (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 12:02 pm: Edit Post

Bai huh,

Oh, thanks for clarifying that this board is really a place of "this is our home", "we are the champions", and "its us versus them". I didn't know that not only the time honored host but also his very capable band would fall apart and resort to sandbox politics when challenged.

Furthermore, are you suggesting to everyone who reads on this board that instead of searching for truth and stating so, that they should just agree with whatever Tim and the band says?

:-)


   By WTBJ (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 12:07 pm: Edit Post

BAIHE has identified the correct, locked it in the heat seeking sights of a bull$hit seeking missle and hit the fire button.

p.s. Has my registration been cancelled or am I just not remembering my password.
Walter Joyce


   By Kenneth Sohl on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 12:18 pm: Edit Post

Now, now, everyone, let us bear in mind that we are all fellow practitioners of MAs and as such, it is important to exhibit tolerance and even acceptance of those who occasionally stray from the fold for they also have their tale to tell. By the way, Rumbrae, what does that little smiley face at the end of your mouth-foamingly spastic diatribes connote anyhow?


   By BAIHE (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 12:33 pm: Edit Post

Rum,

Go back and read all your posts. Some are pretty inflammatory. Slap a little preparation H on your tongue and repeat after me "I brought all this on myself."

Take some responsibility and stop playing the victim. Nobody is out to get you. Why would you be afraid of all these "Arcade fighters" as you term them anyhow?

You obviously are the only one learning a realistic "killing hand". The rest of us are all silk pajamas and unrealistic right?

Be happy you're only taking a little verbal jostling. If you went and visited some of the men you dismiss with your brand of verbal feces, I have little doubt you'd be driving home with some of your favorite teeth in your back pocket.

I'm not part of any "gang up" on you. You are discounting the skills and understanding of some fine IMA's and men I respect. Your words elicited my responses.




   By Kenneth Sohl on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 01:14 pm: Edit Post

Actually, does anyone know for a fact that Rumbrae couldn't make short work of any of us?


   By Spinal_Wave (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 01:43 pm: Edit Post

Rumbrae-- If you think Mr. Cartmell is organizing this attack on you, you're seriously deluded. First your assumptions about Su Dong Chen, and now this... Why don't you go walk the circle or something? I'd hate to think of all the kidney Qi you're wasting typing vague insults and proselytizing.

Now, down to business. I, like many others, have no problem with you doing what you're doing sexually. (In fact, in your case I'd probably recommend it but that's a whole 'nother can of worms, as the saying goes.) However, until you can prove that a consensus exists among respected authorites on this position, I'll just have to say you're full of .

So far, you've named two "masters" with little credibility and one respected IMA to back your claim. Others and I have mentioned several times more fighters and teachers whose takes on the matter can be verified either through word-of-mouth or their writings. Now I ask you, who has a better position for this argument?

Kenneth-- Nope, I don't know. But the onus is on him to prove that, not I. (I make no claims about who or what I can beat up at the moment.) I could careless what he says he can do and more about what he actually can. If he can make mincemeat out of me, great. But he has to actually make me believe it.

Baihe-- Rare form, m'boy. Rare form indeed.

Tim-- I'm Shuai Chiao man who's learning Xing-Yi and little bit of Southern Mantis. I have to be down to earth or I get hurt really badly on the fall.


   By Shane on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 01:59 pm: Edit Post

Kenneth,
I know for a fact that Rumbrae couldn't make short work of any of us. No one who could argues like Rumbrae. (I have God on my side, by the way).

Rumbrae,
Your name suits you well. You do bray like a donkey stuck in mud yet you put yourself in that mud over and over again. After reading your post explaining Chi I realized that you're on the right path but you have not yet experienced a teacher who can explain the same concepts in plain, easy to understand English rather than escoteric, mystical psuedo-Chinese.

Tim said you "get frustrated and unable to answer questions" because that's all you've done so far. You're searching for the RIGHT answers but posing then arguing the WRONG questions. By asking (and arguing about) the wrong questions you cannot prevail in any discussion.

I can promise you that if you show up at Shen Wu you'll be welcomed and will have the opportunity to learn deeply everything you're interested in.
And until you learn how to understand and explain your thoughts and desires- you're going to keep getting stuck in mud and braying.

Based on every post, you are either your own worst enemy or you are a troll stiring things up just to feel included. (for example- Baihi only called this discussion board Tim's home... you added all the crap about we are the champions and 'us vs them'-- when you read things you tend to add insulutory content where there was none- a sign of a troll or a complete nut-bag).

Shane


   By Tim on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 02:00 pm: Edit Post

Spinal Wave,
I know what you mean, the earth never misses.

rumbrae,
No one is trying to bandy the troops against you. Are those that don't agree with you not permitted to state their opinion?

You are welcome to come here and state your opinions whenever you like. So is everyone else.

It's obvious from your posts you're an intelligent guy. I'm sure you can get your points across clearly without throwing in derisive comments. Once you do, you can only expect them in return.


   By Edward Hines (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 02:25 pm: Edit Post

It as the dwarves who created me, not the other way round. I know because I read it in a book five years and three months and thirty six hours older than the bible, so it must be true. I'd give you some exact quotes, but the relevant pages are stuck together.

Again Science does not 'prove' anything. The whole point of science is that it works to minimize uncertainty, not to state certainty.

I have a theory that the big bang theory was created by frustrated scientist who had no luck with women.

Rumbrae, just a quick question, have you ever met Ma Chuanwu, or Tim? without having met them how can you be so sure in your comparisons? I suggest you get science to prove the difference between them if you don't have first hand experience.


   By Kenneth Sohl on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 04:25 pm: Edit Post

Bravely spoken, Ed (er, written). Well, Rumbrae, I guess that pretty much wraps it up, with you repeatedly proven wrong in a big way. Let us move on together.


   By rumbrae (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 07:55 pm: Edit Post

Tim,

Kind Sir, thank you for confirming that your highly esteemed Shen Wu code of conduct is based on "an-eye-for-an-eye". So you wouldn't be upset if I asked would that be the reason you devote your life to fighting?



SPinal Tap, Bai Huh, Shame and the rest of the band of merry men in tights,

I read my first post and quote "But when it comes to fighting one does not need a high level of qi to win". Obviously none of you read that or didn't want to, you were too upset with qi.

Furthermore, my definition of fighting is reality fighting. How many times did how many of your respected teachers entered a death match? The best I learned by asking Tim on this forum, and he stated, two underground fights other than posting Darren Laur articles(if otherwise humble me).

Ma, and two of my mentioned teachers have countless times. Its their way of life. A beat policeman sees more action than you guys ever will and thinks chi is vietnamese ketchup. Don't hurl your lack of capability at me. If you can't laugh at arcade fighters and it bothers you then it must be true; otherwise, put up or shut up - you are fighters aren't you?


Oh, the :-) is because I'm laughing (at you)


   By BAIHE (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 09:03 pm: Edit Post

"Kind Sir, thank you for confirming that your highly esteemed Shen Wu code of conduct is based on "an-eye-for-an-eye". So you wouldn't be upset if I asked would that be the reason you devote your life to fighting?"

Go to Shen Wu and lose an eye then. Stop prancing around the keyboard and man up geek. What's your address? Who do you train with? Can you arrange a field trip?

BTW- I love your Frank Dux underground fight re-dux revisionism. It's a real breath of fresh air.

"SPinal Tap, Bai Huh, Shame and the rest of the band of merry men in tights"

Never worn tights in my life because when I fart the ankles swell. Were my Chi as strong as you or Ma's, this wouldn't happen.
By the way Mary did you contact George?

"I read my first post and quote "But when it comes to fighting one does not need a high level of qi to win". Obviously none of you read that or didn't want to, you were too upset with qi."

We already knew this. Upset? You get your dress pulled up on a public forum and now you run around like you dusted up with James Brown dodging questions like Gary Condit.

"Furthermore, my definition of fighting is reality fighting. How many times did how many of your respected teachers entered a death match? The best I learned by asking Tim on this forum, and he stated, two underground fights other than posting Darren Laur articles(if otherwise humble me)."

Again, some of names you have been casually dismissing will most likely crack you and your teacher like cocaine. Go see Su Dong Chen and ask to see his scars.

"Ma, and two of my mentioned teachers have countless times. Its their way of life. A beat policeman sees more action than you guys ever will and thinks chi is vietnamese ketchup. Don't hurl your lack of capability at me. If you can't laugh at arcade fighters and it bothers you then it must be true; otherwise, put up or shut up - you are fighters aren't you?"

I wasn't aware the government in China released the police reposrts to you. One of my older kung-fu brothers has played hands with Ma and a few of these adepts you speak of. I gave you a resource to get a reaql opinion. But you just dodged it like when you step on the action pedal while playing "Time Crisis III" at the arcade. See you at the arcade bitch.


"Oh, the is because I'm laughing (at you)"

Good. It's always good to laugh from a safe distance. You are so deadly, I am grateful for that.



   By BAIHE (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 09:34 pm: Edit Post

By the way,
feel free to take another ten hours or so to formulate a response that has nothing to do with
what I'm talking about. Clearly, you don't know much about what you are talking about as well...