Archive through March 26, 2004

Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Is Bagua ineffective at close range or in crowded areas?: Archive through March 26, 2004
   By No Name (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 03:42 pm: Edit Post

I was just thinking cus most of the bagua techniques look like the person would be far in front of you and you cant rally circle someone in tight areas.

   By Shane on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 05:29 pm: Edit Post

the tighter the circle- the harder the fall.

   By Tim on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 05:47 pm: Edit Post

Baguazhang also has quite a few techniques that don't require circling at all.

   By BlackDragon (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 05:33 pm: Edit Post

Not only that, the art was designed for fighting up to eight opponents simultaneously. Those conditions can and do call for some close quartering. Altough barrowing other techniques from Wing Chun, or any other closer range fighting style, shouldn't be discouraged.

   By Mark Hatfield (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 09:48 pm: Edit Post

No Name

One doesn't attempt to walk a circle around an opponent. There are many variations on circling and on a simple level it involves developing your ability to manuver and do your upper body techniques while manuvering. It can get into many levels of complexity

   By Shane on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 10:24 am: Edit Post

BlackDragon- you're joking, right?

   By Paul Grijalva (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 04:32 pm: Edit Post

That's why it's called bagua it's in the name Shane don't you get it?

Personally I've never fought anyone, but because of the high level of my training I know I can pull it off when the time comes.

I can't wait to lay the smack down on 8 people at the same time.

Bagua is just the coolest martial art. I like training a palm strike that sends a shockwave to an opponents heart and would just drop him.

   By Shane on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 04:35 pm: Edit Post

I can't tell if I'm supposed to laugh or shudder.

One this very website there is an over view on BaGua -have you read it yet?

   By Paul Grijalva (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 04:44 pm: Edit Post

Don't you know that there's a lot of misinformation in the internet. I take everything with a grain of salt and believe my master before any material I find online.

My master's word is the law. He trained with a daoist in the highlands of Vietnam. He learned a super rare version of Bagua. The true Bagua not the commercialized stuff you see everywhere.

My master said that he personally killed 16 Vietcongs with his Bagua. This is why I study with him.

   By Shane on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 04:49 pm: Edit Post

is his name Bob #2?

   By Paul Grijalva (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 04:52 pm: Edit Post

No. He used to have long hair. He's about 6 ft tall, kindy of lanky and plays the drums.

   By Mark Hatfield (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 05:54 pm: Edit Post

Can't be the real thing if there arn't any chickens involved.

   By Kurtz (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 10:34 pm: Edit Post


This will sound disrespectful, but that is not my intent. I not only find your story difficult to believe, but I also began conjuring in my mind a comedy motion picture based on this story/account of yours.

So let me get this straight. Your master was hanging out in the Vietnam highlands with some monk who knew bagua and trained with him. What in God's name was he doing in Vietnam training bagua? Please don't tell me how he was a green beret or something like that because he sure a hell would not be training in bagua in the middle of a war and in a potentially dangerous area of the country.

Where in the world did he find this taoist in the middle of the highlands? Is it possible he mistook a montagnard draped in an orange bed sheet for a bagua-proficien monk?

He killed 16 VC with his bagua? And on top of it all it was with the super rare version, not the commercialized stuff. What is the commercialized stuff anyhow? The fact that he thought it neccessary to offer information on his personal body count from the war might be a strong indicator that this guy is not only a little weird but possibly full of it.

Your master's word is the law? It sounds as if you are a part of a cult or something. Are you somehow indentured to this guy in servitude?

I'm sure you are just joking around and stuff like that. It did make me laugh, though. At least, I hope you are just pulling our legs.

COL Kurtz

   By Edward Hines (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 07:23 am: Edit Post


I'm curious did he kill those 16 vietcong at maximum speed in 2 sessions ( 2x 8 ) or did he spread it out a bit ( 4x4 or some other variation. Also what kind of drums does your teacher play? is he any good.

When I was Casamance delta in West Africa I met some deadly drummers who could make 8 people dance at one time. Sometimes they worked with each other which meant a

Black dragon, I'm curious what happens when you have to fight 9 people with Ba Gua. Do you have to change to a well known Texan system with the relevant number in the title, or do you have to run away ( only a little so that there are still 8 people to fight). Also are you semi fermented?

best wishes


   By Tigerbagua (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 10:30 am: Edit Post

No Name,
As I understand Ba Gua, it is a close in fighting system, and what you see in the forms that appear to be extended is not necessarly the hit but the follow through.

   By Michael Andre Babin on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 11:08 am: Edit Post

When it comes to the stupidity of fighting someone; I would suspect that there is only one range -- close enough.

Within that range, there are a further variety of ranges -- close enough to wrestle or throw, close enough to elbow, close enough to punch/strike, close enough to knee or kick. And these will change constantly and very quickly if your opponent is skilfull and/or "wants to get you".

If your training doesn't deal with "close enough" in some way, you're not going to have much chance in a real fight whether or not you can walk circles around another student in class for hours.

Of course, if your instructor really did kill sixteen men while unarmed then at least you have a good chance of learning something that might work to save your life if you live in or are planning on moving to a war-zone.

On the other hand, we often end up becoming like those we admire and you may end up wanting to play drums and kill people ;-}

   By B.C. Hill Bey (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 02:32 pm: Edit Post



Are you serious?

   By Paul Grijalva (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 03:00 am: Edit Post

I am serious when it comes to the awesome martial arts that I'm studying from my equally awesome master.

Ba Gua was designed for fighting 8 people at the same time. When you are going up against 9 people you make two of them bump into each other thus for a second they become one. That's when you hit them with a hard palm strike that would incapacitate or kill both of them at the same time.

   By Edward Hines (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 03:17 am: Edit Post


you keep evading the serious issue here. What kind of drums, and does your teacher have the capacity to make 8 people get up and dance?


ps I'm also curious about his long hair, did he tie it back , plait it, use a bandana, or walk around captain caveman style using the special sensory skills he no doubt learned from his Taoist master to navigate.

   By Paul Grijalva (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 11:38 am: Edit Post

Hey Edward, I'm trying to give good information here and all you're doing is play sarcastic games.

Grow up man! Martial arts is not a game. The serious issue is being able to fight 8 guys at the same time and knock them dead, not make them dance.

The real challenge is fighting 64 guys at the same time. For my black sash I only had to fight 4 guys. My master recruited homeless guys, paid them $20 each to try and beat me up. I slaughtered them all and of course got my black sash and $80 back. For my second black sash degree I'd have to fight 8 guys, but my master is having a hard time recruiting homeless guys to attack me. Word got around about my deadliness. See, Bagua works.