Differences in styles

Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Differences in styles

   By Richard Shepard on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 07:46 pm: Edit Post

A quick search on TaiChiFinder gave me this.

Bradford, West Yorkshire, England

Reeling Silk Kung Fu School
Taijiquan, Xingyiquan, Baguazhang and “Spiral Power” Self-Defence tuition: down-to-earth, friendly and fun. Completely martially orientated with grading syllabuses, taught by A-grade Instructor with TCUGB. central tel. 01706 813 146

chief instructor: Joanna Zorya
Thursday Lesbian & Gay / LGBT & friends class in Bradford.
Registered instructor with TCUGB

If Tim has never heard of her and she claims to teach Sun family arts I am a little skeptical.

   By Richard Shepard on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 07:48 pm: Edit Post

She has a short article on the PlubPub site as well.


   By Dave Chesser on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 08:42 pm: Edit Post

She has a few articles on that site. Here's a good quote from another one:

"So how does a Taijiquan fighter access and release this explosive power? If we are to believe practitioners of most of the descendant styles of Taiji (Yang style and its derivatives), we should not release power during practise. From my own training and teaching experience, I firmly believe this to be nonsense. Training at full combat speed and training your body how to brace against impact is essential training for any martial artist."

The article is here: http://www.plumpub.com/info/Articles/art_fajin.htm

Perry, the Bagua Sword VCD that Sun Jianyun put out has a demo of the bagua form on it but you might be disappointed with it. She just bascially walks through it. Still, it's better than nothing.

Dave C.

   By Robert on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 07:59 pm: Edit Post

Everyone that's been watching this thread will be glad to know that she has video clips taken from the DVD's now posted on her site.


It's hard to pick a favorite technique-clip for me - but the power and smoothness of the "Sun Monkey technique" clip has to be one of my favorites.

   By Big Bald Betty... (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 09:16 am: Edit Post

She's a hottie. I don't think much of the techniques, but I like a physically fit woman - kinda like me.

I'd like to grapple with her and hang out in her guard...

   By SuperFunkyWudangMonkey (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 11:24 am: Edit Post

I don't know - I think for pure whole-body power the piquan clip is the clear stand out...

   By Big Bald Betty... (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 07:23 pm: Edit Post

SuperFunky -
You are one observant cowboy.
Nice catch.

The Bettyroo...

   By robert on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:37 pm: Edit Post


   By Francis Wong (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 05:59 pm: Edit Post

Hi all: I am just passing by, but Sifu Wing Lam has DVDs on Sun style taiji, Xingyi, Bagua, and Bagua sword. Quite a good companion to Sun's books. They are Ok form wise, but I don't think his level is as high as that of Mr. Luo DeXiu, at least internal arts wise.


Also just to say that I will be looking forward to any of Tim's DVD/book on Sun style.

Francis Wong

   By Troy on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 06:53 pm: Edit Post

I'd like to know where that lady learned Sun Ba Gua from, there's something missing from it....

   By Matthew on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 05:02 pm: Edit Post

No offense to this lady, but her applications don't seem very practical, and I'm not totally convinced that she could make them work on a non-cooperative person, much less a real combat situation.

   By Jake Burroughs on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 06:23 pm: Edit Post

I have heard positive things about her. I agree a bit with Matthew, but in all fairness she is one of the few people not talking BS about qi balls from the Dan Tien and what not. Light years away from many other "masters." Which segways well into my next comment...........
AVOID anything of Wing Lams Sun related. Some of the worst applications I have ever seen. It is an insult to Sun, Tim, and everyone involved with any of the books to say "Quite a good companion to Sun's books."!!!!!

   By Troy on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 07:15 pm: Edit Post

Which makes many of us lament that there's nothing good out (DVD-wise) on Sun Style Martial Arts from Tim. Guess we'll have to be patient.... :-)

   By Perry Garten on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 03:15 pm: Edit Post

I was curious as to her background, so I just emailed Joanna. She responded to me within 3 hrs. Here is an excerpt from her email.

"...A lot of my Bagua training comes from the Gao style, but we used to experiment a bit with the basic Sun style changes too - my main lineage is from Luo Dexui and his students. We consolidated the Sun style changes by cross-referencing the Bagua and Xingyi we know with Sun's book and the other Sun style videos / vcds that are available. To be honest, the Sun style Bagua is much simpler than most of the other styles, so it wasn't too difficult to find the movements within our existing repertoire...."

A very friendly, forthright and helpful individual.

   By Tobbe on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 05:01 pm: Edit Post

and funny too - Here she´s doing some iron shirt qigong

   By Jake Burroughs on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 09:15 am: Edit Post

Thats great!

   By Troy on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 12:34 pm: Edit Post

Hey Tim,

Check out the Atlanta Martial Arts website again, the Taijiquan and Xingyiquan info pages has a lot of content from your stuff as well. Some of it is almost verbatim.


   By Tim on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 09:04 pm: Edit Post

They gave me credit at the end of the articles.

I'm fine with that.

   By Troy on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 01:17 am: Edit Post

ok :-)

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