Very Basic Question

Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Very Basic Question
   By caithnar (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 01:09 pm: Edit Post

How do you easily estimate shoulder width, one and a half shoulder width and twice shoulder width?

Can you start with heels together and point toes out then rotate on balls of feet to parallel to equal shoulder width?

Then just move one foot to add another 1/2 shoulder width or is this too simplistic or mathematically incorrect?

Curious if anyone has any thoughts.

   By Abdullah Orozco on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 04:15 pm: Edit Post

Just stand in front of a mirror and gauge your feet via your shoulders.

   By caithnar (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 12:18 am: Edit Post

And if I cannot see well enough to judge this, how would I do it?

   By Bob #2 on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 12:38 am: Edit Post

try using a tape measure. or a ruler.

   By Tai Chi BOB on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 02:08 am: Edit Post

Place your head between your knees
please take note:
you must remove it from your butt first-

if your knees touch your ears thats too narrow
if your shoulders go through your knees thats too wide
if your shoulders and knees and feet all fall in symetrical alighnment
then walah!!!
you figuerd it out

   By Chadwick on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 11:10 am: Edit Post

Sounds logical. How would you get twice shoulder width?

Maybe someone could comment on using the method I descibed in the original post above?

   By Tai Chi BOB on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 11:58 am: Edit Post

accomplish the above
and please take special care in removing your head from your butt however
accomplish the above
rinse and repeat...
then youv'e done it twice-
and have gotten twice: shoulders width

   By robert on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 01:47 pm: Edit Post

just stand naturally, ignore the sholder width order if it throws you off, just dont have your feet to close together, since standing like this will liken you to a one legged chair, easily pushed over,for a wide stance follow the same rule, just be comfortable. or you can try from your shoulder width stance, roll out on the balls of your feet three times, and for shoulder width, from standing with feet together, roll out on the balls of your feet twice. hope this helps a little.

rob(chi chi boobs father)

   By Jamie on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 01:54 pm: Edit Post

Well not to discount the creative and concrete methods of the above respondents.
I have found success in placing tape on the floor.
Have a partner measure you basic shoulders width and place tape (duct tape is very good) at the width of your correctly placed parallel feet.
and then adjust from there either use a tape measure as B#2 suggest or again have your partner help with what is right for you. Using different colored and width tapes may help you remember where double, and half shoulders width is in the event you get confused and disoriented.
Honestly I do not see where this is a difficult puzzle to solve :-)

   By Chadwick on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 02:16 pm: Edit Post

hope you get that sorted out.

the comfortable parameter is a good one, thank you. And, rolling out on the balls of the feet... you mean pointing the heels out (in contrast to pointing the toes out as in my oringinal post)?

If I had a partner, this would work fine. Duct tape is used for everything!
Not a great puzzle, just a basic question :-)


   By Chadwick on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 02:25 pm: Edit Post


a tape measure would produce accurate measurements, but it is difficult for me to accomplish. The idea Jamie added concerning a partner is also a small problem. So, I am lightly considering possibilities for easy and consistant spacing.

Thank you.

   By Jamie on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 03:29 pm: Edit Post

well not having a partner could be part of your trouble.
Teacher and sparring partners help give me direction better than a mirror.
Ofter someone else can see a misalignment of flaw in my posture that I can not.
If I could do it without human interaction I would not need all those appointments and classes I would learn from a correspondece mail order or distant learning on the net.
If your in Alaska or Wyoming or something just ask a friend do my feet look shoulders width apart, twice shoulders?
Chalk can also work outside on pavement you can do it yourself look down if your feet are shoulders width make a mark.
This is not rocket science

   By Abdullah Orozco on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 03:41 pm: Edit Post


I know 5 year olds and blind people that can stand w/their feet at shoulder width. Are you really that much of a shut-in that you need to come on an internet forum to ask people how to stand?

   By axegangboss (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 03:52 pm: Edit Post

He's not alone. On another thread someone just asked Tim how to walk.

What is the world coming too?

   By Chadwick on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 05:11 pm: Edit Post

I agree, interaction is necessary to accomplish many aspects of movement and form.

Amusing, but unhelpful.

Note: my original question was not how do you stand, it relates to training I had 15 years ago concerning how to easily measure 1.5 and 2x shoulder width.

   By Heather on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 11:51 am: Edit Post

I think the thread was appropriately titled.

   By Chadwick on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 12:31 pm: Edit Post

Is that not what a title should be...?

Thank you.

   By Jamie on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 06:13 pm: Edit Post

I would like to add
once you do establish the correct size for your stance(s) and find the easiest manner of reproducing them efficiantly.
That the gold standard for reproduction is
practice, practice, practice..................
until your body naturally takes the position without thinking or dwelling on the concrete interpretation of what and where shoulders width, half and double are.
Take it easy (and practice)

   By Tai Chi BOB on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 01:52 am: Edit Post

with all those amazing teachers what prevents you from having a partner?
or a teacher from helping you?

Oh I get it!! this is on the written portion of your home study test and the SiFu is not allowed to give you the answer.

Come on Chadwick with their awe inspiring resume's one would think a "very basic question" would be very easily demonstrated-
Or It could be those Guang Ping (Yang?-lol-whatever)Tai Chi disciples are such incredible fighters and push hands players (empowered by their secret "CHINESE TEA CEREMONY"), It is too far beneath them to answer a question that is best figured on ones own.
Well to make it easy for you Chadwick:
If your getting free lessons from China Hand Academy-
then not only are you paying too much
but they're giving you the China Hand Job

   By Chadwick on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 11:27 am: Edit Post


I am beginning to understand your difficulty.

China Hand Academy is in New Jersey and I live in Lubbock, TX. Suggestion... Mapquest.

I have not had a Chinese Martial Arts instructor for 15 years.

I was asking about China Hand's presentation of Bagua (for someone who actually knows), but thank you.

   By Tai Chi BOB on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 11:46 am: Edit Post

I get it those quotetation marks without a premises are supposed to convey to everybody it is reference material, yet without actually stating you are taking it from someone elses website. Easily leaving a reader with "included in our system" really means their system.
Nonetheless Chadwick I see your problem
You can't find a partner because your looking for schools in New Jersey and California and talking to your Tai Chi teacher about Ba Gua and Xing Yi instead of practicing with him
are you still living in your car too?

   By Chadwick on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 11:54 am: Edit Post

we're done.

   By Bob #2 on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 12:29 am: Edit Post

you two aren't done until I say you're done.

Tai Chi Bob, retaliate with another of your nearly impressive quips.

   By Tai Chi BOB on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 03:22 am: Edit Post

I regret...
There's no sport in it for me.
Battling wits against Chadwick, is the thrashing of a poor defenseless thing.

   By Bob #2 on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 09:44 am: Edit Post


Chadwick, now you lash back with one of your snide pleas for acceptance hidden within a childish insult.

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