Reference for 64 forms

Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Reference for 64 forms
   By Rick Matz on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 08:16 am: Edit Post

Is there a video tape, or VCD which records the 64 linear forms, as a reference? I have Joe Crandall's translation of a book on Gao style, but the descriptions are difficult to understand.

I've heard rumors that both Allan Pittman and Luo De Xiu are working on projects. The former is working on a book, while the latter is working on a tape. Can anyone veryify this?

Best Regards,

Rick Matz

Rick Matz

   By Bob on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 11:16 am: Edit Post

Luo already has a couple of tapes on the market.


   By Rick Matz on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 01:29 pm: Edit Post

I have both of them. One is an overview of the system, while the other has to do with applying Gao BGZ to combat. I'm looking for something different.



   By Rick Ugino on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 05:09 pm: Edit Post

Talking to Allen he indicted he's going forward with the that my Gao teacher, Dr. Brad Priddy has returned home to Atlanta, I'm hoping he'll lend Allen a nudge to complete it.
There are some tapes floating around made as reference for those of us who trained in this lineage/variation but they're not for public consumption, as far as I know.

   By Buddy Tripp on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 06:24 pm: Edit Post

Hi Rick,
When Luo Laoshi was here in Boston this year he did in fact say he was going to make a tape of the straight line stuff. He also mentioned he's not making any money of the first two any more. A question for Tim: I've heard that Luo considers the first eight of the sixty four to be the most important. Any comments? Also does anyone know about the Sun Xikun bagua he studied?


   By Tim on Tuesday, February 06, 2001 - 04:10 pm: Edit Post

Luo considers the first eight straight line forms to be especially important because they teach the fundamental body motions that are the foundation of the remainder of the forms.
Lou studied the Sun Xi Ku ba Gua with a teacher named Liu Jian.

   By Doug on Friday, October 05, 2001 - 11:58 pm: Edit Post

Hello I am thinking of buying a J crandall translation book( I have to mail order)Yin Style Bagua Zhang.Does anyone have an opinion on this book?Is it easy to understand,well setout ,clear pictures.
any feed back aprecciated

   By Craig S. Kiessling on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 05:50 am: Edit Post

Hello folks :)
I am "brand-spanking-new" to the forum, but just wanted to chime in here on this specific topic, to help keep ya informed.
Allen Pittman's book on the 64 is more than confirmed...It is currently in the final editting stages - blame the illustrator for being slack on time/efficiency. I've seen the manuscripts, illustrations, etc., and can say that it is a good one.
Editing took a while too...Allen knows his stuff definitely, but his initial writing is dire need of editing, shall we say?
Thanks for the spot, and opportunity to post, Tim!

By the way - met one of your folks this past weekend. A pleasant fellow by the name of Robert. Please send him my regards.


Craig S. Kiessling

   By Pess (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 01:59 pm: Edit Post

I'm currently taking Ba Gua and Hsing-I with Allen right now, and it seems that at least the people in the class have a copy of a book with the 64, though if it's for public consumption or not, I don't know. If you want, I can ask him next class if it is ready.

   By Edward Hines on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 04:46 am: Edit Post

Luo has made videos with lines three and four of the Ho-Tien. You can buy it through

I've seen some of it and it's a mix of well edited seminar footage ( showing Luo's method of teaching, and giving you a chance to see how he teaches and does the applications on people of different sizes), with demonstrations of the forms filmed outside for clarity of presentation.

best wishes

Edward Hines

   By BigBill (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 10:13 am: Edit Post

Allen's book is availible online at It's a very good book IMO even though I pretty much just study Hsing-I with him.

   By Kelvin Yu (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 10:36 pm: Edit Post


I went to Allen Pittman's website, and he apparently has 2 books on the subject:

- The Gao Bagua Wookbook
- Gao 64 Linear Tactics

Does anyone know the difference between the two, and any advice on which book to obtain first ?

Thanks !

   By Marcus Grant (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 10:45 pm: Edit Post

If you look at the products page closely, the Gao Ba Gua Workbook is a book whereas the Gao 64 Linear Tactics is a video tape.

I suggest you get the book before the video.

   By Kelvin (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 11:12 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Marcus !

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