Ba gua zhang and the book of changes. (i ching)

Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Ba gua zhang and the book of changes. (i ching)

   By Charles W on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 02:46 pm: Edit Post

I find it humorous how the hobbies of individivuals on this board anger and annoy others to such an extent that they feel the need to make fun of them and degrade their beliefs.

   By Jason M. Struck on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 03:08 pm: Edit Post

dude. I find Red Sonya humourous.

what i find less humourous is wasting time.

I think that Taoism, the I ching and other elements of traditional chinese culture are amazing, and important. Sometimes, it's just funny that your worried about that and not going out and practicing. I myself train in and train others in Martial arts and in strength and conditioning. I love these two things more than anything else. I respect chinese culture. how many of you anonymous jack offs have ever been to china, or lived there, or learned the language? Not a single china-man that every trained me in martial arts ever once started blathering on about the I Ching. They were always worried about my stances not being low enough, or me punching like a girl. I don't know if that's yin or yang, and it didn't seem that either of us cared.
I respect anyone's desire to learn about these things, but i also reserve the right to laugh a little about those who take it too far, or those whom many would agree that their priorities are a little out of line, like when they obsess over what this gua means or what that moves is called. My point is that not actually speaking chinese yourself, it's all bullshit anyways. Shut up once and awhile, and go spar or something. Qi ain't nearly as important actually landing that deadly palmstrike. If your some slow, weak, tired and inflexible bookworm, it doesn't matter how much Comic Book BS you've memorized; you will not land your deadly qi blast, and you will not survive the returning blow.

   By Jason M. Struck on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 03:09 pm: Edit Post


i find your photography humourous.

   By Charles W on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 04:04 pm: Edit Post

None of their words suggested to me that their training in martial arts or other priorities are out of line. Only that they are searching in various places for answers that may or may not come to them.

As for wasting time, thats your opinion.

And as for my photography...much of it makes me laugh too :-)

   By Jason M. Struck on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 06:20 pm: Edit Post

I was hoping to present the point that if you've never been knocked out, the meanings of Trigrams aren't that important to you.
Lao Zi said that 'the way that can be named is not the true way', and my point was that in light of this people are still talking about the way. Professed Taoist nonetheless. I like this:

And remember, the BaGua, 64 Hexagrams, I Ching, and the 10000 things all are born from Yin Yang which is derived from WuJi or the great void. Understand these 2 things (the concept of Yin and Yang and "nothingness") and you will easily understand all aspects of BGZ, I Ching and life.

That's succint. I think in many ways that posting things like this on this forum are sort of pompous wind-baggetry. Take a cue from the better IMA 'masters' in the PRC and the ROC: talk about body alignment, practice and hardwork.
Leave the Bull Killing Chi blasts for the courthouse.

   By Charles W on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 07:01 pm: Edit Post

stop blowing things out of proportion which were never thrown out of proportion in the first place. How you get to bull killing chi blasts from a discussion of concepts of how one can apply the concepts of Bagua and the IChing Together....Well thats just beyond me.

   By The Iron Bastard on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 09:02 pm: Edit Post

This is all a good example of mouth Kung-Fu or as we all know it in the US as flapping lips fighting.

   By Newlyenlightened (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 09:17 pm: Edit Post

"giving away good stuff here is pointless, like giving away good wine to dogs."

Right again D. Borg. Better to keep things like the Yijing and Daoism secret.

   By Charles W on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 11:24 pm: Edit Post

I can break 26 pine boards with my lips.

   By David S. White on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 02:12 am: Edit Post

Well. i'll be damned, i don't check this forum for one night and some fool goes on a rampage about what i know and how i write it.

I've lived in China, Speak Chinese, and have studied Daoists texts, livelyhood, martial arts, medicine and many more - i still don't know anything but i believe it's a start.

My response was to quite a direct question, Jason, and obviously, not undersatnding shitall you have read to far into it. Take your own advice, go train, and cool off.

My reference to Lao Zi is in regards to the Dao-De-Jing and the Hua-Nan-Jing, my reference to Lieh Tzu is to that specific text. My advice read the posts, but don't respond unless:

1. You understand what has been said,

2. You don't understand, and would like to ask a question.

Not pompous wind-baggetry, just a answer that has been given to a staight-forward question. Simple.

And what o you mean by Bull-Killing Chi Blasts? Please explain.

Now, got to go, have a date with a circle for the next 4 hours. That's pompous wind-baggetry.

So, and i quote your own writing,

"Shut up once and awhile, and go spar or something."



   By D. Borg (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 06:12 am: Edit Post

David, I also speak Chinese and have lived in China for some time, but I do not want to argue with aggressive people like Jason. If you want to say something to him, then go: "woff, woff". I am sure that this is a language that he is more familiar with! :-)

Seriously talking, Jason, I don't think you read the posts that well, or is even interested in what they say. You just want to have a reason to write " " once in a while, right?

Now I'am going to practice punching, maybe spar a little. :-)

   By Jason M. Struck on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 08:45 am: Edit Post

sorry guys. i totally misread everything.

   By David S. White on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 05:11 pm: Edit Post


Personally if things that i have written in response to a genuine question have been taken out of context then i like to rectify the situation asap. Enjoy the practice.


Very kind and respectful of you to apologise in your last post. I'm sure you are knowledgable in many aspects of Martial Arts and Daoism etc.


   By David S. White on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 05:16 pm: Edit Post

In addition,

I would like to refer Robert who initially asked the question to the Lieh Tzu as it is an excellent text and enables good groundwork in Daoist concepts. The best English translation i have found is by Eva Wong through Shambala Dragon Editions. I couldn't remember the author yesterday.

Lieh Tzu was a scholar / philosopher born around 400BC, though this is arguable, about 200 years after Lao Zi. It's a good read.



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