Jin gong da li fa?

Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Jin gong da li fa?

   By Chad Eisner on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 11:11 am: Edit Post

Resistance training is inevitable if one wants to gain strength. Period. Body-weight, Stone locks, weapons training, or modern free weights, it's all the same thing. Add resistance to strengthen the muscle. If you are trying to get around that, good luck.

   By robert on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 12:45 am: Edit Post


When i learn jin gong da li fa, im not teaching any of you skeptics out there. You can have your western approaches and your barbells. Ill stay in the realm of both.

So Bah.


   By Enforcer on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 06:35 am: Edit Post

"I am an opinionated guy, but I believe that strength, absolute/max/limit whatever you want to call it strength, is the keystone or foundation of all other motor qualities. You cannot be fast without strength, you cannot endure without strength, you cannot have good balance with an opponent without strength. Strength is the base from which all over motor skills are built. Squatting is an excellent method of developing strength, but you are right, it is not the end. It is only one step in a progression of leg training exercises that will lead one to a greater capacity to perform martial arts, whether that is TaiJi or Vale Tudo."

but what if you have really weak natural stength compared to most people, wahts the point of weight lifting than since everyoine esp those who weight lift wil;l still be stronger?

   By Kd115 on Friday, May 22, 2009 - 09:09 am: Edit Post

Thought i'd post soemthing for once, instead of just browsing.

I kind of understand enforcers point. Im not a big guy and although I am very fit in terms of endurance, I am never going to match the strength of someone who body builds seriously, or even an 'average person', even if I lift weights regularly.
I practice IMA not because I'm chickening out, but because I need to find a way of fighting someone that does not involve pitting my strength against my opponent's. (And I enjoy it).
Having said that,I know how important body weight and strength is, and I'm always skeptical of people saying that 'skill will defeat weight and strength' etc. If I spar against someone bigger and stronger than me, it will make life difficult, simple as. And if I was stronger, I'd have an easier time of it, however skilled I am in IMA.

   By Tim on Friday, May 22, 2009 - 12:43 pm: Edit Post

This is the sensible and realistic approach to training in general, good post.

   By Enforcer on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 01:26 am: Edit Post

"If you are suggesting that squatting is 'futility' you should read some, try to find what Staley, Alwyn Cosgrove, Pavel Tsatsouline and even Tim have said about the merits of strength for fighters. Ask the top fighters in the UFC in any class, if they lift weights or not."

A lot of those guys are on steroids though, I mean look how beefy some of them are like Shamrock. Plus Shamrock has been beaten lately by everyone including ppl a lot slimmer. People will always be stronger than you, youll never be the strongest person and sometimes people have freak natural strengh so why not concentrate on things you can excel at instead if you dont have natural dispoisition to strengh?

   By Tim on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 02:34 am: Edit Post

"People will always be stronger than you"

People will always be faster than you and better at technique than you as well.

The logical conclusion to your line of reasoning is it is useless to train at all unless you can be the strongest, fastest and very best at technique.

The best way to train is to maximize your potential in all areas, concentrating especially where you are weakest. That's the best anyone can do.

   By robert on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 04:34 pm: Edit Post

Yup, lol.

But seriously, I also feel thats very true.

   By Willis on Monday, July 06, 2009 - 10:25 pm: Edit Post

Yup, lol.

But seriously, I also feel thats very true.

Yeah me too. lol.

   By Enforcer on Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 02:49 pm: Edit Post

Samoans dont need to lift weights, for some reason these people have this natural strentgh and this natural "mass" that is equal to the rest of the world who actually do weights all the time or even surpasses it. Have any of you seen them? Even the lazy ones who eat all the time are massive.

   By Jake Burroughs on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 12:32 pm: Edit Post

See them?!?!? Live amongst a number of islanders!

   By Shane on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 06:04 pm: Edit Post

I'll be in American Samoa for the first week of December. I'll pass along your regards, enforcer.


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