Recommend a book and video for Bagua?

Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Recommend a book and video for Bagua?
   By John Mack on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 12:35 pm: Edit Post

Does anyone have any recommendations on a good Bagua book and video that present the basics of BaguaZhang with a strong emphasis on the principles and body use inherent in the style?

Does anyone have an opinion of the Bagua book and video by YMAA? 04-5651788-8233547?%5Fencoding=UTF8 04-5651788-8233547?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130

   By Michael Andre Babin on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 01:39 pm: Edit Post

You can't learn bagua, except perhaps superficially, from a book and video unless you can get corrections on a regular basis from the person(s) producing those training aids.

The YMAA products you asked about are professionally produced and both Yang and Liang are undoubted experts but the dvd is more of a demo of the forms and methods discussed in the book. You can learn bagua from a book even less than from a dvd or video.

Buying both is a lot of money to spend that you could be saving towards a workshop with a live instructor.

   By M. Hatfield (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 06:00 pm: Edit Post

John. I have a bunch, some are good and many are crap. Get all of Laos' (there's 5 or so that I know of) and those by Park Bok Nam. Some of Laos are more demonstration than instruction, but get them.

   By John Mack on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 08:07 am: Edit Post

I know you can't learn Bagua from a book/video. But for those who already train it, I often learn things here and there from books/videos.

M. Hatfield, who is Laos? Is this his full name?

   By Jason M. Struck on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 11:44 am: Edit Post

doesn't luo de xiu have some?

   By M. Hatfield (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 12:20 pm: Edit Post

Sorry, wrong spelling. It's Luo De-Xiu. He has two videos where he was assisted by Tim and a few others which (I think) were offered on Marcus Brinkmans website.

When I decided to see what Ba Gua was, I got one of Luos tapes and was hooked. Had I first looked at one of the many others which I've sence acquired, I would have never persued it.

   By Michael Andre Babin on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 12:32 pm: Edit Post

Luo's videos are some of the very few that I have seen over the years that make that art look credible in terms of the combative aspects.

   By John Mack on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 02:56 pm: Edit Post

Thanks a lot guys. Mighty kind of ya all.

M.Hatfield, I know what you mean about never persuing it after seeing some of the crap that's out there.

   By Jason M. Struck on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 11:37 am: Edit Post

anyone know a reliable resource for Luo's tapes?

   By John Mack on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 07:56 pm: Edit Post

Anybody know how much similiarity there is to Tim's Sun BaguaZhang and this Liang Shouyu's who apparently has some lineage connecting with Sun lu tang? A demonstration of Liang Shouyu's style being that which is performed on that YMAA Baguazhang DVD.

   By M. Hatfield (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 06:44 pm: Edit Post

Plum Flower Press has the two with Tim. They are demonstration, not instruction, but watch them closely anyway.

   By Michael Andre Babin on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 08:25 pm: Edit Post

As far as I know, Liang Shouyu's connection to Sun-style is through the xingyi part of his curriculum. His two teachers in that art were senior xingyi students of Master Sun. Liang Shouyu's bagua is of the Ermei variety.

I have only seen Sun-style bagua demonstrated by a couple of modern representatives on video and I wasn't much impressed as to the combative potential of their interpretation.

   By charles kemper on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 08:07 pm: Edit Post

Looking through Mr Brinkman' website for Luo De-Xiu's videos, I have encountered a mind boggling amount of material but not the videos in question. Since there appears to be no search function on the site, is there a way I can go directly to this material? The site I am seaching is Thanks in advance for any hints.

   By M. Hatfield (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 12:25 am: Edit Post

The 'Clever Hands 1 and 2', Subtle Skills 1 and 2', and 'Fighting Chicken (from Hsing Yi)' are of Luo teaching short linear forms and demonstrating applications. Recommend that you get them all. Don't forget the two others from Plumb Flower Press, watch these two first.

   By AuroraColorado (Unregistered Guest) on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 03:23 pm: Edit Post

Why don't we pass the hat and have Tim create Sun Style Bagua training dvd's? I speak from innocense (ignorance?)......I have no idea how much money/time is required to create training dvds. I'd happily chip in a couple hundred if I got a free set of the finished product

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