Try quoting the whole sentence moron, instead of quoting part of it.... how utterly disrepecful !!!

Push hands actually has more than one form. All are excellent for training. They are very good for teaching you how to work in close. They allow you to "feel" your opponent. If you and your opponent are at zero distance you don't really see what he is doing. You have to "feel" his movement. With practice you know what he is going to do and where he is open by feeling his motion, his body shifts, every little twitch. In push hands, as it is meant to be, you are always in contact with your opponent. If you break physical contact you are supposed to start over. If you break contact and continue you have violated the purpose of push hands. If you want to get the most out of push hand practice you should do it blind folded.

I would agree with Fatboy in that push hands is not a martial art in itself nor is it free fighting. It's purpose is training.

Long story short... Wing Chun is more practical than most styles. I say this as a Wing Chun, Tai Chi, Hsing I, and Hakka Kuen artist.

The reason... simplicity and all hands on all the time.

Rich, in Wing Chun, having breifly studied with a Hong Kong guy, I don't think you can get a knock out with the chain style punch of punching, whereas in Hsingi you really go for the big one, virtually every strike is greared to knock out/over the opponent.


What do you think ?

Wow u studied with a HOng Kong guy.. plenty of HK guys wing chun is crap. Want real, applicable wing chun? Learn from one of Wong Shun Leung's GOOD students (considered by many as the unsung successor of Yip Man when it came to real fighting .. he is the main one who made Ving Tsun/or wing chun famous in HK fights ) and I've studied plenty of different kinds of Ving Tsun . The only branch worth anything in modern ways of fighting (with plenty of Internal power) would be from one of Wong's senior students. It is also a point to find out who actually is good amongst his senior students as well.. determined by getting to know them/meeting them.. I would say Gary Lam is probably the best USA representative of the Ving Tsun style in the Wong Shun Leung lineage and I dare say the best in the USA at ving tsun/wing chun in general . He also has plenty of fighting experience. He has a webpage somewhere. UK... don't think any of his students are particularly special or I would've heard of them. The one UK guy student of his isnt even in UK anymore.. and I don't think he's that famous for his fighting experience. Most of Wong's good/great students are in Hong Kong. Wing Chun/ving tsun schools /branches are a dime a dozen in HK as well. U gotta really do your homework if you are looking for good Ving Tsun/wing chun....

To be frank, franklin that's all well and fine, but what do you think of chain punching Yong Chun style, I don't rate it, don't think it can knock out a hard bastard, and even feel it will get you into more trouble than it's worth, but hey maybe I've yet to see some Yong Chun guys knock someone out cold with a chain punch (instead of loads of slaps one after the other) in the face, we all know to the neck can disable. My point is I don't rate chain punching unless you can convince me other wise, showme the info.

And by the way Wong Shun Leung was a good fighter before he even studied any Yong Chun, and the story goes he challenged students at Yip Man school, he got beat and decided to take up Yong Chun.

Now has anybody ever knocked anyone out with a chain punch Yong Chun style ?

Wong Shun Leung did not advocate the "Chain Punch" as many (primarily the german Wing Tsun) schools do. Check out Gary Lam's site.

I think Chain punching is silly, by the way.

I briefly read all the above. If one gets a truly talented Wing Chun teacher, as I was lucky enough too...

Wing Chuns chain punching is very effective. However, it is completely misunderstood. You dont just sit there and punch a million times, as seen alot. Yes, it is a rapid fire punching system, but it has the same "oomph" as a beng chuan. The Wing Chun man as Hsing I doesnt waste much time with self defense fancy hands etc. They are looking for the three punch fight.

Since I dont slander anyone's name or their teachers etc. I will not name some of the crap I have personally seen.

However, as someone stated above. Check out Gary Lams sticking hands dvd. You will get a clear sense of Wing Chun. Gary's teacher was taught directly by Yip Man.

I was lucky though. I had a teacher that was so boringly repititous, and I thank him!

Your Yong Chun chain punch and Beng Chuan are not the same, Beng Chuan is more powerful, Grandmaster Gou Yunshen quite literally killed someone with his Beng Chuan, and served a prison term for it, I've yet to hear of a Yong Chun chain punch doing that kind of damage, unless you alter it to a beng chuan style punch. Who taught you Beng Chuan, are you sure you have an idea of it? Just practicing a few months is not enougth to find it, it take years, mind teaches body, body teaches mind, mind teaches body, body teaches mind and so on until one day mind and body in total agreement, then you might get it, maybe?

Fatboy,

Does over 13 years qualify? Have you been practicing Hsing I for that long? And do you even know Wing Chun?

And furthermore... If you are a wing chun artists, then you dont understand the body connections that Beng Chuan and a chain punch share, and if you are a Hsing I man, and dont know Wing Chun, then shut up, or go and learn wing chun, then you will give your arguement validity!

As of now you have no credibility.

another ignorant post by fatBABY. there you go again making snap judgements about something u know very little about....citing old chinese stories. Gee, some western boxers have died in the ring as well. Most likely not from a "superior" "more powerful" beng chuan. I could tell you a few reasons behind the idea of a chain punch, but due to you being such an ••••••• passive/agressive punk, I would rather let you wallow in your own ignorace. With your attitude (at least the one you display on the net ) you are probably gonna get f@#$ed up on the street one day eventually anyhow. Lucky you are in the UK where guns are not as prevalent. Come to the States and shoot your mouth off in any hood or in the country... Don't think any amount of MA training could protect your mouth and body from getting blasted. Were you there when Guo Yunshen killed someone with a punch?

Fatboy,
Has anyone ever knocked out anyone with the Wing Chun chain punch?

Mmmmm... Bruce Lee, Wong Shuem Leung, Emin Boztepe(300+fights), and the several forgotten names that won hundreds of roof top fights in Hong Kong against many styles that werent convinced of the Wing Chun effectivness. etc. etc.

However, you are thinking chain punching is just standing still and throwing punches like crazy and with no power.

Did any Wing Chun artist kill anyone? Ever hear of the Red Boat Junk Opera? They were the rebels that were running around killing all those invaders.

Bahahahaha !!! You guys sure do bite easy! Lol!

Bob the hood wrote
"another ignorant post by fatBABY" and the ranted a load of bullshite come to my hood and get fucked up, you complete moron!

Gee, I can't believe you guys get so worked up about the difference between a punch from one style and a punch from another!! Calm down Children!

Bob, you're just adding fuel to the fire by saying anywhere in the states you could get blasted, people like you remind me of the saying goes "are we a nation of gun nuts or just nuts?"

Have a Nice Day!

Hey Bob the way you talk you kinda remind me of Gun Crazy Sgt. Eugene Tackleberry from the Police Academy Movies, the guy always with the BIG gun, always trigger happy, talking about guns and blasting and always ready to blast while also dreaming about blasting. Bob Fatboy only was stating his POV that he thought beng chuan was more powerful punch! Sheesh !!!

Kinda funny the way FatBaby responds to any arguement. When called out,he reverts to insults/personal attacks. "bwahahaha" "morons" etc... Trys to pretend he was just baiting us. A FEEBLE defense mechanism. Daniel, I was just stating a simple fact of life / survival in the world to the spoiled brat. How do you get me being "trigger happy"/dreaming out of that? Do you live in a hippie commune or something?

Bob AKA Sgt Eugene Tackleberry "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, •••••••!"

I would engage in a battle of wits with you, but I refuse to duel with an unarmed person. You and I both know you know jack shite about MAs or Beng Chuan or Yong Chuan chain punching, I'd love the hear you enlighten me on a few reasons behind the idea of a chain punch, but I guess I'd end up knowing a load of bull, seeing as you never ever really talk about any technique, just talk about talking about it.

Have fun polishing your Colt 45 Tackleberry!!!

Hey, It's FatBaby, supreme master of "The Last Word" style.