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Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Have any one know Fu style Ba Gua Zhang ?: Archive through April 16, 2002
   By LULU on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 01:54 am: Edit Post

Have any one know Fu style Ba Gua Zhang ?This style is good?please, tell me?

   By SysOp on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 03:18 am: Edit Post

Is this the same as Yin Fu? I'll put it under that subtopic if it is.

   By buddy on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 08:52 am: Edit Post

This system was developed by Fu Chen Sung one of the "five tigers from the north" Fu studied with Gua Fung Ming and Ma Gui. In my opinion it looks like Yin Fu style although Fu was reported to have studied with Cheng Ting Hua as well. Fu developed a family system that includes both internal and external forms as well as a number of weapon sets. He was famous for his Dragon Palm and his Bagua Dadao (taller than he and reported to me by his disciple Lin Chao Jin to have weighed 30 lbs!)

   By Lee on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 10:40 pm: Edit Post

But i think looks like Cheng Ting Hua style, because i have read one book come from Tw .as most thing is smiliar

   By ETB on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 11:31 pm: Edit Post

Fu style looks like Yin Fu? You're kidding right? Also, I doubt he studied at all with Ma Gui.

   By Buddy on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 08:09 am: Edit Post

Well, it doesn't look like Xie's Pei Chi's style but it looks like other Yin Fu I've seen. You doubt he studied with Ma? On what do you base this doubt?
Take a look at the Fu style Yang Palm changes. With whom do you study Fu style?

   By Eight Triagram Boxer on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 01:43 pm: Edit Post

Ma Gui never had any students. That's one reason. Second, Fu's style looks nothing like Yin style. Please tell me which Yin style you compare it to. I do not study Fu style but have friends and met with people who have. Some of them study with Bow Sim Mark and others with Johnny Ming Lee. I have never seen any of them do a piercing palm.
Of course this is all my opinion and observation. Still, I highly doubt it. Check with people in China, not people here. Lineage here means's just for advertising.

   By SysOp on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 11:29 pm: Edit Post

Hey Guys;
Thanks for your help. I found out from a reliable source that this discussion is not the same as Yin Fu. The thread sits where it's at.

   By ETB on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 12:56 am: Edit Post


   By yuen on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 06:12 am: Edit Post

i have learn Fu style , FU style have two style one style is Fu Yung Hui(Fu zhonsong son),and one is Fu zhonsong style. Bow Sim Mark is Fu Yung Hui style. Fu Yung Hui is different with Fu zhonsong style.Fu zhonsong style is very soft but Fu Yung Hui style is very hard.Fu zhonsong style is smiliar Cheng Ting Hua style

   By Buddy on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 03:31 pm: Edit Post

Actually Ma Gui DID have students but no formal disciples. Certainly Wang Peishing claims to have learned from him. I've read all the same magazines as you but you can't believe everything you read. I studied with (and taught for) Bow Sim Mark and her brother for seven years. I worked very briefly with Lin Chao Jen in San Fransisco. Also with a guy Sifu Mark introduced me to in SF that I only ever knew as Uncle. Lin was Fu's early disciple. Regarding Fu Yonghui's (Wing Fay) style I would say Lin sifu's (and for that matter Garrett Gee's sifu's) style is much more linear (don't think I'd use the word hard) than the more flowing or swimming version shown by descendents of Fu Yonghui. Master Lin's version looks, again only to my eyes, more like Yin Fu style than does Mark Sifu's or Master Fu Yonghui's son. Piercing palm is also a hallmark of the Cheng Tinghua system (see Gao style or Sun Sikun) so that's not much of an example. It's also in the earlier Fu. Look I've only given my opinion take it or leave it. Early Fu style looks to me like Yin Fu. Later Fu (from Yonghui) looks more like the more popular Cheng Tinghua. I'm about done with this subject since it is of no use to anyone. My wife is always haraguing me about "all these Chinese names. No-one cares about them but you and it's boring for everyone else." I don't mind being contraversial or wrong, but boring?-never.


   By yuen on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 03:13 am: Edit Post

Some photo for FU style
yan begua
begua oxth.
yin begua

Buddy , This only dissuction .thank for your opinion. i agree with your opinion^^

   By Bagua Bill on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 07:31 pm: Edit Post

Paul Cromptons walking meditation book says it's
fu style in content. Just fyi for whoever.

   By Buddy on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 09:21 am: Edit Post

Actually what is shown in that book is a simplfied Sun style formed developed by Li Tianji who's father studied with Sun. It is confused as Fu style because Mark Bowsim Sifu calls it the original form and she is in the Fu lineage.


   By Andrew on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 03:50 pm: Edit Post


Garret Gee, the Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun guy does Fu style Ba Gua??? San Francisco teacher, from Hong Kong?


   By ? on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 06:33 pm: Edit Post

Author begs to differ

   By Bagua Bill on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 06:54 pm: Edit Post

Wow,there's lots of confusion over which style's what's what,etc.
Can anyone write an chart or graph of the different styles names/info/founder/varieties?
I would like to be aware of the different types and styles out there.

   By yuen on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:51 am: Edit Post

what is your mean?
i do not understand?

   By Buddy on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 08:29 am: Edit Post

That's right. He's a wing chun guy from SF. His dad studied with Fu and Sun.
The form shown in Crompton's book is the same a one I learned from Bow Sim Mark. She said that Li Tian Ji developed it.


   By yuen on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 03:30 am: Edit Post

dear Buddy ,
are you chinese?Li Tian Ji =˔퓗K ?
i think you is say the fu style "Bagua Orthodoxy".
it is teached by sum bo kwong