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Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : B K Frantzis - Ba gua is the deepest, most complex and ultimately the most effective of the three internal systems: Archive through August 15, 2006
   By David1 on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 10:18 pm: Edit Post

I dont know about the clip being dated but I have to say I was a little unimpressed by the standard of his circle walking. I am assuming that his somewhat blase approach was the result of his need to demonstrate the hand techniques in a limited amount of time. I hope so anyway.

   By Buddy on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 11:53 pm: Edit Post

If we are still talking about Kumar, I haven't seen the clip but I've seen the man. If you get within range and you aren't a competant shooter (and maybe if you are, haven't seen him in a few years) you're done. If you get within range and you don't bring him down, you're done, broken, and hurt. Maybe the knee will stop him now but he has never been accused of being a light weight (pun intended but it's no BS) Bruce was a pug in the day.

   By Bernie Langan on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 03:53 pm: Edit Post

Those video clips were shot around February of 1988 in Sante Fe, New Mexico

   By Maciej (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, May 18, 2003 - 03:27 am: Edit Post

has anyone seen his Yang Tai Chi Fighting Video??

The video is a demonstration of the real time fighting/defence abilities of Yang Tai chi and is available from his website - i think? It says that he takes unrehersed attackes from 2 TKD instructors, just wondered how good it was.

   By Maciej (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, May 18, 2003 - 03:33 am: Edit Post tml?L+scstore+vdfx1354ff8bee8b+1060418458

   By k.conor foxx on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 04:23 am: Edit Post

re: 'ba-gua' deep+complex and Kumar....
either is a long subject, neither needs to be personalized. but some points are needed:
Kumar has a training spanning taiji+'bagua'+aikido+ this level of life investment would be wiser to join principles than to separate them this 'better-best'.
This point is also true for so-called 'three-sisters'
xin-yi,taiji,'bagua'; even without understanding the
history, pragmatic evaluation shows a relation; taiji+'bagua'~xian-tian-pa-pan are quite likely development related; unlikely they where separately created regardless of the martial myths. the elder, older of these three.
As for 'best' this depends on system+person; sometimes tales of test...are useful, sometimes not. xiangzhai said he 'matched with 2 1/2' others, meaning 2-loses, the other a 50/50; [the loses where against esoteric-natural-style and water~liuhebafa; the 50/50 was white-crane]; ...dong haichuan's student tung, was shot dead by german soldiers; also, if the name is well known. may not be better nor best.

   By None (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:15 am: Edit Post

If those TKD guys are instructors...hmmmm. I fear for the art!

   By Obsever (Unregistered Guest) on Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 04:37 pm: Edit Post

For those of you who have not seen or met B.K. in person, I would be very careful in judging his ability. Even though he's obese, he will make mash potatoes out of anyone daring to challenge him in a match. Even the so-called Extreme fighters wouldn't stand a chance with B.K.

I have know him since the 60s and I know of his ability. HE HAS PROVEN HIMSELF MANY TIMES OVER.

   By confused (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:11 am: Edit Post

To Observer,

Don't you think it is a little "out of the ordinary" to say that a fat guy who doesn't train to fight would be able to school trained fighters?
Ba Gua or no Ba Gua these extreme fighters are still "Fighters"

   By Loyal Monk (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 12:21 pm: Edit Post

When I was younger I was somewhat of a fighter,having had a number of streetfights in New York City where I grew up. I studied Ving Tsun as a teen and later boxing and grappling. I was physically, externally much harder and stronger than I am now. Over the past 15 years I have studied Ba Gua Chuan which has transformed my body. I am now softer and less strong in some ways. However I am faster, have much beter balance and mobility, and have developed more sensitivity. I can also focus my power better and issue from more angles. In short, if I were to meet a young version of myself in a dark alley I know what the result would be, without question!
Eventually those extreme fighters will get older, soften, and will be able to beat younger versions of themselves.

   By Mark Hatfield (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 05:37 pm: Edit Post


Similar experience here.

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   By Ron Gavett on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 04:21 am: Edit Post

Anyone who believes a Fat braggart talkin bout how bad he plain STU-PID.

I visited him.

Mike Patterson is real.
Chen Zhou Wong in real.

BK? Ba ha wa ha ha ha.

He is just average, so please.

   By Tai Chi BOB on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 09:36 pm: Edit Post

Is that the Mike Patterson that left Southern California for Las Vegas?
That guy who won one point sparring tournament in Taiwan when he was a teenager and has done nothing since?
what a jerk.
Mike Patterson owes me money.

   By Ron Gavett on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 11:16 pm: Edit Post

Maybe true, but my point is others who BUY that B.S. about BK's bad boy stuff is plain stupidity. What a crok. I did visit many internal fighters overseas and here. BK, Mike Patterson, Chen Zhou, and many others. I KNOW which ones are fighters after testing with them.
Steven Martin from San Diego can go. He is a FIGHTER.

How much money does Mike owe you?


   By Tai Chi BOB on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 02:16 am: Edit Post

Steve Martin from San Diego? he did go.
soo excuuuuuuuse him.
And do you mean Chen XiaoWong (CXW)?

Jerk owes me about $100.00 USD for BS merchandise he refused to refund money back on.

Oh BS merchandise thats what this thread is about.
How much does BK owe you?

   By Walter T. Joyce, Sr. on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 10:23 am: Edit Post


I have studied with BK. While some of his claims may be exagerated, his fighting ability is not.

I'm not sure when, or even IF, you ever tested him, but if it was recently, but bear in mind that he has been in two car accidents, one of which was supposed to have crippled him for life.

Setting that aside, you offer no support for your claims. In addition, even if your claims are true, which is highly suspect, you come off like a jerk, or a troll.

   By Ron Gavett on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 12:38 am: Edit Post


My background in power lifting after breaking a world bench press record lead me to pursue the following:
I have spent 15 years in SWAT. We undergo rigorous combat training, similar to the training some special operations units in the military receive and had to pass stringent physical agility, testing to ensure we can neutralize the most violent of group riots and street situations. Our group received special hand-to-hand combat from some serious combat experts of Chinese descent. We went thru full-contact combat Rou Shou with full force. So, I signed and went to a seminar of BK. He started with how many he killed. I lost it. I later asked to do Rou Shou with him to see how different his way might be. Too fat and slow. End of story after embarrasing him with Splitting techniques.

Hope this helps,


   By Tobbe on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 12:47 pm: Edit Post

Hi Tai Chi Bob

I just wonder what was wrong with the dvd´s from Mike Patterson - was there something wrong with the dvd´s - something mechanical or was it the quality of what he was teaching and if so what did he do wrong?