Fighting tournaments using Ba Gua

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   By Henry Lee on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 01:35 pm: Edit Post

i thought I posted this question once before but it didn't appear on the board. Are there any full contact tournaments that anyone knows of in north america that a practitioner of bagwa could enter. by this i mainly mean, are there any competitions that do not require the use of gloves? thanks for all replies.

   By Meynard on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 04:28 pm: Edit Post

Check with the guys from New York. Somewhere in this BB there's a mention of the Black Daoist. supposedly they do some Ba Gua full contact tournament.

   By SysOp on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 05:55 pm: Edit Post

The Black Daoist thread was destroyed for turning into a racist threat thread.

   By B. C. Hill on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 02:44 am: Edit Post

The 1st All Ba-Gua Zhang Championship Tournament
Was Postponed until Nov.4, 2001.
And as much as we wish we could not use gloves, it was agreed to use open hand Kempo gloves.
That way the palm can still be used as well as grabbing. The rules where specifically
created for Ba-Gua.
For more Info Here's the URL:

It's going through some reconstruction. But soon
all the rules will be posted.

   By Brendan Williams on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 11:00 am: Edit Post

Hey Meynard,

I know Vince Black's Tang Shou Tao guys have a tournament every year where they only do hsing-i and bagua. They had one here in Phoenix last year and some of the more advanced guys had bag gloves, cups and mouth pieces. You could call them up and see if they'd let you play.


   By Meynard on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 07:15 pm: Edit Post

Interesting... How do I get a hold of them?

   By Brendan on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 09:29 am: Edit Post

Vince Black is in Tuscon and I also think there is a group in New York with Tom Bisio. I'll see if my friend has a phone number, but you could call info. My friend said it's a closed tournament so you might have to become a member. He also said there are no winners really and that guys get handicapped to work on different things (like if you're really good at punching, you can only throw in a fight). Sounded pretty cool.


   By Henry Lee on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 10:27 am: Edit Post

Hi B.C.

You wrote "And as much as we wish we could not use gloves,
it was agreed to use open hand Kempo gloves".

Why the need for gloves? I always thought (and i could be wrong) that gloves were more for the protection of the hand than anything else. Are there laws or liability issues? i've never tried to put together an event so i am not familiar with all the obstacles. Also, will this tournament be open to other styles as well? It would seem that you would have to allow all styles to compete so that external critics of internal stylists can be silenced. Personally i think it is more difficult to fight another Ba Gwa practitioner than an external martial artist. Thanks for the reply and the info.

   By Peter George Stewart on Friday, July 06, 2001 - 12:42 am: Edit Post

Hmmm, I've heard that too, about the gloves actually being for the protection of the hand, not the opponent. It seems that gloves actually encourage boxers to hit harder (I vaguely remember reading a newspaper article, some kind of medical study), which is actually causing _more_ damage to opponents!

It would seem to make sense that you're not going to get much of a punch to anywhere on the head (except the jaw, very much the jaw!) that won't hurt you more than it hurts your opponent, if you are going to hit their head as hard as you could hit their soft parts. Whereas, with gloves on ...

The palm would in fact seem to be in some ways a better thing to hit with, so long as you don't get the angle wrong and break your wrist!

So yes - what _is_ the point of gloves in full contact MA? My opinion? Hmmm ... headgear and groin guard or just groin guard? (After all, if it's true that gloves in boxing are actually a _cause_ of injuries, then essentially going bareknuckle would seem to be a safer option! - provided the point isn't actually to pulverise each other but to win on points ... )

Trouble is, with something like Xingyi (my current preference, as a beginner canvassing a few options at the moment) which in theory is supposed to go for weak spots (collar bone, solar plexus, jaw, etc.) with absolutely maximum, shocking force, how can such a thing, whose very _principle_ is to put out the other's lights as quickly as possible, be "softened", made not to cause damage?

[oops, sorry - bit o' rambling there!] But if anybody knows the facts about gloves and boxing for sure I'd be curious ...

   By Peter on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 06:16 am: Edit Post

Hello Just a point, if you have ever hit another person with a bare fist around the facial area you will find firstly laceration damage to target area and laceration tissue damage to the fist.The gloves are there to protect the hand just ask or check out a boxers knuckles after a fight.I would hate to fight several rounds without some kind of protection for my hands.As stated before mouth guard,groin cup,wraps and bag mits or open finger gloves are the way to go for full contact anything>

   By Bob #2 on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 03:43 am: Edit Post

I've found that holding a roll of quarters in my fists minimizes the pain to my hands, while maximizing the damage to my opponent.

I've never heard of a "mouth guard groin cup"
we must hang out in very different circles.

(sometimes I just can't stop myself)
(like then)

   By Y. B. Choi (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 05:25 pm: Edit Post

There are many fights set up in brooklyn. Lees castle hold a tournament on the 1st of every June. I will be attending and it is mixed style full contact. NO GLOVES. This tournament is no joke so don't go there thinking that you won't get seriously hurt if you don't know what your doing. and one last thing.... There is no weight classes. I my self place in the top 10 every year and only weight in at 175 but as you all no; size is only one element of fighting.

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