Sun Bagua

Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Sun Bagua
   By Jake Burroughs on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 12:44 pm: Edit Post

For those of us that are ignorant about Bagua, could Tim (or someone else for that matter) list the forms of Sun Bagua? I know there is a single and double palm change, followed by eight animals I believe. What are the animals?


   By Perry Garten on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 02:22 pm: Edit Post

This is what I found, but I have nothing to base this on......just heresay.

Sun style Bagua consists of 10 circular forms which are practiced on both sides of your body while walking in a circle.
These are
1) Single Palm Change
2) Double Palm Change
3) Lion Palm
4) Qilin Palm
5) Snake Palm
6) Sparrowhawk Palm
7) Dragon Palm
8) Fenghuang Palm
9) Bear Palm
10) Monkey Palm

   By Tim on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 03:34 pm: Edit Post

No. 8 is translated as "Phoenix."

   By Jake Burroughs on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 03:42 pm: Edit Post

What is Qilin?

Is there any connection to XY's animals of the same name?

   By Ted on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 05:14 pm: Edit Post

Qilin or Kirin is a more "manly" Chinese version of the Unicorn. It's the mythical animal on the can of Kirin Ichiban beer.

   By Tim on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 05:24 pm: Edit Post

No connection to the Xingyiquan animals.

Actually, the "animal" names of Sun's Baguazhang forms have nothing to do with the forms at all. The animals are arbitrarily assigned to the forms based on which "trigram" Sun named the forms after (each trigram has an animal associated with it).

The movements of the forms have nothing to do with the particular animal the form is named after. English speakers normally use the animal names of the forms because they are easier to remember than the trigram names.

   By robert on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 10:37 pm: Edit Post


why did sun categorize his art in such a way?

   By Tim on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 11:04 am: Edit Post

I think because it was common to associate the forms in Baguazhang with the trigrams (Ba Gua).

   By robert on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 04:02 pm: Edit Post

OIC, thanks.

much respect.

   By Bob #2 on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 05:17 pm: Edit Post

OIC? is that the sound a pig with a cleft-pallet makes?

no respect.

   By robert on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 09:32 pm: Edit Post

you know, for a second rate guy, you're pretty funny.

   By Shane on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 01:53 am: Edit Post

speaking of Sun Style BaGua....
Here's a clip of Meynard and me doing some randori last Saturday. I did an arm drag and he countered with an application from Sun BaGua zhang's Lion form (the application is similar to Slant Flying from Tai Ji Chuan).

(I know I look like crap in this clip... There are several clips of me doing some good throws that day- but I'm saving them for the 'Ground Proofing' DVD.)


   By Troy on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 02:58 am: Edit Post

I just saw it before coming here to the forum. What happen to the other sparring vid though...?

   By Shane on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 08:41 am: Edit Post

I removed it since all the same footage is in this clip

   By Troy on Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 01:05 pm: Edit Post

oh ok, well keep up the good work man. Love the footage, makes me impatient to get back down for a class.

   By Michael Taylor on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 03:26 pm: Edit Post

All in Engrish, it's...

01) Single Palm Change
02) Double Palm Change
03) Lion Form
04) Unicorn Form
05) Snake Form
06) Sparrow-Hawk Form
07) Dragon Form
08) Phoenix Form
09) Bear Form
10) Monkey Form


Do you still have any copies of your Sun-style BGZ forms booklet available?

   By Richard S. on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 01:13 pm: Edit Post

Hi Tim,

Do you know or know of Frank Granovski in Canada?

He has a book for sale titled "The Sun Style of BaGwaChang". Have you seen it? He also has three videos for sale, but none of them seem to deal with Sun Bagua.

"The book describes in great detail the basic, "Old Palms" form as taught by Sun Lu Tang. The older method was performed around a circle. In Sun's variation, the trigram directions where added with linkages. Though more important are the included discriptions of selected basics, exercises and partner drills (often overlooked or forgotten today)."


   By Tim on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 06:27 pm: Edit Post

Hi Richard,

I've never heard of him.

   By Richard S. on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 10:31 am: Edit Post

Thanks Tim.

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