http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbJHFTExm9U

Erm...I thought they didn't have exact applications, but what do i know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWvya9MVhjs

Cool! =)

Those applications weren't exact in form, but rather they were approximate: using the same directional-energies as found in the various forms.

Thanks... I enjoyed watching the clip... (c:}

Note: The 2nd clip isn't Sun-style

Yes I knew that from the beginning. Hence the title of the topic. =)

astute.

Troy, I figured that out after posting, but then had trouble editing... sorry (I'm brain-dead).

astutely astute.

I saw Earle's Ba Gua book. Couldn't get past the photos, which lacked contrast and looked kinda grey. But he seems to know what's up in this video.

Am I the only person who thinks making a decent Ba Gua book is really hard? I think it's a style that's more difficult than most to teach in a book.

The dynamic and complicated nature of the forms and techniques I think make Baguazhang especially difficult to put into book form.

in which video does Earle seem to know what's up?

Stephen?

Uh...sorry, Bob. Not a daily visitor to the site.

Earle's doing stuff that looks like Ba Gua apps I've seen before.

sigh.... you said "..he seems to know what's up in this video"

Which video is 'this' video?

The only video links in this thread are of:
Sifu Hal Mosher (who, judging solely by the video clip, couldn't manage to even do an application for a job at Mcdonalds correctly)- much less BaGua

and Luo Dexiu (who, could crush Earle with his pinkies).

so.... I'd like to know which video you say Earle appears to know his stuff on so that I can watch it and see if it surpasses all the other videos I've seen of Earle (all of which make me wonder if/how and why a student would ever return for a second dose.

Respect,
Roberto Numero Dos

You're right! I mixed up Earle( I think a Ba Gua guy, right? He did the book) and this guy, Hal.

The movements in the video are consistent with what I've seen of Ba Gua, which is all I was saying. It was filmed on that slo-mo planet where opponents throw an attack and seem to wait for you to kill them, but perhaps that's just a tool for demonstration?

Luo is a whole different class over these guys, obviously.

Alot of people fight on that slo-mo planet, like the Systema guys and the Kenpo guys.

Hey, I also found this example of pakua


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5hiSMYerro&mode=related&search=

I'd like to see Dr John Captn Biff Painter and Earle Montigue band together to fight 1 real martial artist.

Could someone tell the waiter in the Chinese monkey suit to turn off the Kenny G and bring our check please.

What these instructors can or cannot do is irrelevant. It is what you can or can't do that is relevant.

I'm the last guy to encourage criticizing other martial artists, but I think it's perfectly normal, and even prudent, to observe a teacher and wonder if this teacher is accomplished enough to instruct you.
Even if they're a great practitioner, if they are bad teachers, then I won't learn nearly as much as I could with a quality instructor. A lesson I've learned the hard way.

it seems very ineffective to me, why put so much effort to move around so much after just blocking one punch and wait for them to hit you again so you can wrap both their arms together? a guy isnt just gonna hold his arm out there for oyu like that and its gonna be too quick to really anticipate msot the time, and alot easier to just strike them back or tie them up.