Pa Kua Journal on CD??

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   By Brian Kennedy on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 03:03 am: Edit Post

I had heard that all the the old Pa Kua Journal editions were to be released at some point on a single cd-rom. Has anybody heard when? Or who was doing it?


   By Tim on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 07:09 pm: Edit Post

Try contacting Dan Miller. The last no. I have for him is 800 413-8269.

   By SysOp on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 08:47 pm: Edit Post

Would you please post any response that you receive from Dan Miller or ask him to post a response on this board? I think allot of us would like a copy.


   By Ryan Bolen on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 11:24 am: Edit Post

I second that motion. I've been tempted to try to either get ahold of Dan Miller or Plum Flower Press to see if they'd consider putting the set of PaKua Journals on CD.

   By Brian Kennedy on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 06:08 am: Edit Post

Although I very much appreciate Tim getting me the phone number for Dan Miller, I need to be honest with the folks on this board...I live in Taiwan and it is unlikely I will end up calling.

It is not that I am not interested but I have found it logistically "troublsome" to connect up with folks in the States by phone unless I know them. Either they are not home when I woke up at 5 am to call or when they call back I am at work, well you get the picture.

Sorry about that,

   By Michael M. on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 11:42 am: Edit Post

The last I heard was that Dan was living in southern Virginia and he had no desire to be associated with the martial arts ever again.
The gentleman who shared this with me helped Dan move in to his house.

I don't think the CD will becoming anytime soon
But you never know if the money is right.

   By Tom on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 01:06 pm: Edit Post

Chris Jensen at Plumflower Press ( advises that the complete set of PKC Journal will be available on CD some time later this year, at a "pretty modest" price.

   By Tim on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 06:23 pm: Edit Post

I talked to Dan a couple weeks ago. He is in the process of putting the Journals on disk now.

   By Internal Struggle on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 03:44 am: Edit Post

I would like to share my thoughts on this . . ."pretty modest" price. That can go from $7 to $350 depending where you are on the economic ladder.

I believe that the Pa Ka Chang Journal brought BaGua out of the darkness into the light for English speacking people all over. I truelly believe this. Just 5 years ago most American BaGua people had no idea what they were talking about and the bold where experimenting with alot of things.

I also know that this would make alot of money. But you know money, it can really mess things up.

If this CD is sold for 200 bucks few would go buy it. Perhaps alot of teachers would. You guys would make some nice money. Ok fine. Now the studenst have to rely oin their teachers like always. And we all know about American Ba Gua teachers, go check out, most are FAKE!!!

If its sold for $100 bucks more people would buy like wealthy students who can pay their $100 monthly lessons and the $100 CD.

Now if its sold for $45 many more people would buy it. You guys may start making less money here.

Now imagine this, if sold for $20 or less, every one, I mean every one would get it. Less would copy it. If every one had this valueable resource BaGua in America would have a great future. I truelly believe this. Look at what the Journal has done already!!! It really has advanced schools, and has given many teachers leads on where to find more materials, methods, and masters. If every one had the CD, BaGua would be stronger here in America. And all the fake people would have to work harder at faking their stuff.

Now if you over price it and make your money, BaGua would never get off the ground in this country. Thats just how money works, look around you. Take a deep look into American culture. If whole classes of people are excluded from this then its the same as Masters who hold back their teachings for secrecy, thus killing their art like Tai Chi. Lets not let BaGua die also.

   By Castro on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 12:38 pm: Edit Post

Don't stay in the U.S.A. with the Capitalist pigs. Come to the squalor of Cuba and enjoy the life of a Communist. I will take care of all your needs except, maybe, Martial Arts?

   By Firefrost on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 06:31 pm: Edit Post

That doesnt sound to cheerful!

   By Tim on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 02:46 am: Edit Post

Internal Struggle,
You are forgetting one important point. Dan Miller (the publisher of the Pa Kua Journal) spent tens of thousands of dollars researching and compiling the information you would like him to sell for $20. He doesn't owe you or anybody else anything.

How much more than $200 would it cost you to make 4 or 5 trips to Taiwan and China, and spend tons of money travelling while there, not to mention all the money he spent hiring people like me as guides/translators? This isn't even taking into consideration the hundreds of hours of his time spent writing articles and getting the Journals published. Put all this into perspective and $200 isn't such a bad deal, is it?

   By The Banned on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 02:48 pm: Edit Post

Tim, I know Miller owes me nothing. I credit him for really blowing up BaGua in this country. He needs to go down in history for accomplishing that. We all owe him. I also know of no serious BaGua artists that does not have atleast 10 issues of the journal if not the whole collection. Its a shame that Miller hasnt made his profit yet, after all these years.

It was just a suggestion because I dont have $200. Maybe I should get a third job. Or maybe I should charge my students $100 to $130 instead of $30 to free a month. I teach only children. I live poorly with my computer as my most expensive piece of property. Maybe people like me can get a discount or maybe perhaps not. We eat to live not live to eat. We make money to live not . . . I was taught for free, another teacher charged me $30 another charged me $60 and then offered to teach me for free as long as I payed him later, because I could not afford that. I had to decline because I knew I would never be able to pay him even though he said its ok. Thats where I come from as many of us do, and this is in the spirit of many of your own teachers and Lao Tzu. But ofcourse whatever is done with the price I will work hard to get it and try not to be tempted to burn it as I feel I owe Dan Miller a whole lot.

And Castro i'm sorry that im not a communist i'm an anarchist. Were much more crazier than commies.

Tim, I need a serious favor of you. Your Sysop and friend basically kicked me out because I complained about his actions. You should ask him about this and look into this, reminding him of his responsibilities as a sysop as I also used to be one in the early 90's. I remember how stressfull that used to be so I relied on professionalism to keep every one happy and the board productive. He cant just censor poeple because they disagree with him. I had already apologized for being off the topic when he gave me his "first and final warning".

Thank you in advance.


   By Shane on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 03:19 pm: Edit Post


wasn't it well after your first and final warning
that you retracted your apology and demanded one from sysop?

It takes alot to get under sysop's skin. And you managed to rub everyone the wrong way and then added insult to injury by being an ultra jerk to sysop by acting as if his job is to make you happy.

   By SysOp on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 05:25 pm: Edit Post

The Banned/Internal Spirit,ETC.;
You getting around my simple lockout just shows that you have no respect for rules and what I asked of you.

I was allowing you to return if you would follow the Board's "Terms of Use". Instead you came back with more venom and whining.

I have now implemented Queue Management. All messages must be reviewed before being released to the board unless you have Registered with the Board. I no longer allow Instant Registration. I will review queues for messages and registration requests once a day.

I had two options to stop abuse of the Board:

1) Force everybody to Register. Many people won't use a board if they are forced to register.

2) Review all content in incoming messages from unregistered users before being released to the board. This was the less intrusive option.

I am very sorry that I had to implement this feature.

   By Big Balled Betty on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:40 pm: Edit Post

You gotta work real hard to p*ss off the SysOP.
Frankly, you're lucky you aren't in arms reach of him. Otherwise, he'd b*tch slap your little cry baby a$$.

"Remember, there's only one Betty, Big Balled Betty."

   By SysOp on Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:13 am: Edit Post

The complete set of Pa Kua Journals is now available on a CD.
They are available for purchase at Tim's academy and at Plum Flower Press.

   By JAFC on Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:56 am: Edit Post

SysOp - do you guys really have the CD? I just checked the Plum flower press page and it is not there? How much is it going for? I would love to buy one (from you guys or PFP)

   By SysOp on Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 12:53 pm: Edit Post

It just came out. Maybe Plum Flower Press hasn't updated their website. You might call them.

We definitely have copies at Tim's. I'll check the price and repost. It's either $30 or $35 dollars.

   By SysOp on Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 06:20 pm: Edit Post

I just finished working out at Tim's and received the lowdown from him.

The price of the CD is $35.

I was wrong in saying we had copies at the academy. Tim says he is taking orders so that he only has to pay a one time shipping fee to receive them. He will place an order when he has about a dozen people who are willing to commit.

You will need to pick up the CD at Tim's Shen Wu Academy
, otherwise, order from Plum Flower Press.

   By Tim on Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:58 am: Edit Post

Dan Miller just contacted me and said that Plum Flower will have the Journal CDs available on Oct. 1.

   By Dan Miller on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:00 am: Edit Post

The Pa Kua Chang Journal back issue CD-ROM is now available at Plum Flower Press. As of yesterday the CD is up on their web site. Look at the New Items page or the first Ba Gua Zhang page.
Thanks to everyone who posted kind words regarding the Journal. They are appreciated.

   By jeff k on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 10:04 am: Edit Post

Thanks for the heads up Dan, I already ordered mine last week :) The folks at Plumflower hinted you would be posting additional martial related writings on your own web site. Would that be a different site from the one in your e-mail address? Would you care to post that address and share?

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