Bagua and MMA

Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Bagua and MMA

   By Bob #2 on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 02:33 pm: Edit Post

You gave away any hope of credability when you said you "disscused this with your wife"


She obviously shares my view because her response seems to have been a threat to you, sir.

Bob#2


   By Bob #2 on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 04:24 pm: Edit Post

I realize my previous post may be inturpretted as me putting down Dim-Mak.

You can practice stepping on ants and perfect your technique. But how can one practice (learn) a death-touch or a point strike which might disable their classmate?

I teaches Dim-Mak applications using elderly dogs. But in all honesty I have little faith that any of my students could perform them in an actual fight against a non-teathered human.

That being said- a real fight against a real determined attacker might equate to stepping on an ant during a tornado... Does your wife think that might be difficult?
Maybe she'd like to comment herself and spice things up with a few pictures of herself.

Bob#2


   By Bob #2 on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 05:20 pm: Edit Post

And did you remind her that its not just stepping on 'an' ant, but stepping on a particular ant in a colony?

I look forward to future discourse with your wife.

Bob#2


   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 04:08 pm: Edit Post

Wow......Dim Mak.....Dian Xue.... interesting stuff. I have a hard time seeing people apply it when at striking range but in a grappling range maybe.(this doesn't just mean ground grappling). Here is a video of a karate guy doing his japanese dim mak thing. haha.
after like 2:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLUn49eYZH4


   By Richard S. on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 01:35 pm: Edit Post

Just hit them really hard and don't worry about the specific target :-)


   By Tim on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 07:33 pm: Edit Post

Dian Xue is interesting, when you read old Chinese manuals, they emphasize striking such exotic points as the head and groin.

Most legitimate martial arts will have a good grasp of which "vital points" are to be struck. And most will focus on the same few (side of the neck, base of the skull, throat, solar plexus...).

The problem is the idea that there are secret points that can cause unconsciousness or death with only a touch, an idea originating primarily in the "Wu Xia" fantasy novels of the last century.


   By Joseph G Bellone on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 07:57 pm: Edit Post

Those fantasy novels are truly manna from heaven. Did you read the one on stepping on ants?

But I digress...

Joe

http://thestudywithin.blogspot.com
http://www.studywithing.com


   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 05:15 pm: Edit Post

"The problem is the idea that there are secret points that can cause unconsciousness or death with only a touch, an idea originating primarily in the "Wu Xia" fantasy novels of the last century."

I agree that it is largely exaggerated...like most things in the kung fu world. However my thoughts are that if you are going to believe in acupuncture, then, that which correlates, makes sense as well. I don't believe in the three days till death or fives steps or whatever.


   By dirty rat on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 05:34 pm: Edit Post

The only way to really know if there is a correlation between acupuncture and dian xue is to study acupuncture, which requires you to invest some time to truly understand (time in learning as well as in clinical practice). Personally, I don't think its worth the amount of time needed to spend on a theory "originating primarily in the "Wu Xia" fantasy novels of the last century." Easier to buy a gun.


   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 06:47 pm: Edit Post

"The only way to really know if there is a correlation between acupuncture and dian xue is to study acupuncture, which requires you to invest some time to truly understand"

Master Lu and his son have both done quite a bit of research in acupuncture. His son actually just graduated from a college of chinese medicine in texas. They both believe in striking/grabbing/etc points for fighting but dont buy the majority of bologna that goes along with it.

"Easier to buy a gun."

So why do you practice any martial arts at all then?


   By dirty rat on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 07:11 pm: Edit Post

'cuz its fun.


   By Shane on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 07:12 pm: Edit Post

Because not all physical confrontations involve weapons; its a great workout which could actually come in handy someday (I doubt any pumped-up gym rat ever used preacher curls to protect his wife); most importantly, its fun.

Back to acupuncture... Doesn't that require needles to PUNCTURE the skin to get to the nerve... And aren't those needles left in for a long time? (If acupressure worked, why did the Drs you refrenced bother with acupuncture?)

It appears that your counter arguments regularly support the position of your detractors.

Granted,there are certain sensitive areas that most fair fighters will avoid (groin, eyes, those collar-bone nerves) because resorting to them means you're a puss. Just like the person weilding a knife or gun in a fist fight does so only because they are the most fearful.

Shane


   By dirty rat on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 08:31 pm: Edit Post

Kelly,

My comments are based on my own experience chasing after "legendary" martial art skills. It took me a little while to see that my time and money could've been more wisely spent learning practical skills.


   By Jason M. Struck on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 10:50 am: Edit Post

I wish that I had started judo around 4 years of age.


   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 06:42 pm: Edit Post

"Back to acupuncture... Doesn't that require needles to PUNCTURE the skin to get to the nerve... And aren't those needles left in for a long time? (If acupressure worked, why did the Drs you refrenced bother with acupuncture?)"

Can't say that I have ever learned much about acupuncture or acupressure. I have experienced both and so far both have worked for me.

"My comments are based on my own experience chasing after "legendary" martial art skills. It took me a little while to see that my time and money could've been more wisely spent learning practical skills."

I agree with you. Practical skills are very important.


   By dirty rat on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 07:13 pm: Edit Post

And by practical skills, I mean those that are accessible for everyone. There are a lot of con artist out there preying on the ignorant & unsuspecting, and the few who actually has something worth studying are often times very secretive. A taijiquan teacher from Taiwan I know was very good at what he did, but he was very secretive even among other Chinese. What little I did learned from him came from the times when he was showing off, that is until he wise up and notice how well I was picking it up.


   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 10:05 pm: Edit Post

Yes, i believe that your time will be well spent if you go after skills that are accessible to you.


   By Bob #2 on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 10:58 pm: Edit Post

I think dirty rat and Kelly Crofts-Johnson are one person.

I wonder what Adam Smiths wife thinks.

Bob#2


   By dirty rat on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 12:35 am: Edit Post

Or maybe Bob#2 and Kelly Crofts-Johnson are one person, and Bob#2's just trying to draw attention away from himself. And I know what Adam Smiths wife thinks of that.


   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 06:30 pm: Edit Post

or maybe kelly crofts-johnson and tim are the same.


   By dirty rat on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 07:36 pm: Edit Post

I think you just stepped on a land mine with that, Kelly.

Got a confession, dirty rat and Bob#2 are one person. Notice how Bob#2 never contributes ideas but lurks behind the scenes waiting for his chance to give people what he likes to call wit. Who’s the real dirty rat here, huh?

Hey Bob#2, all jokes aside you know you know in my book you’ll always be number 1… Uh, I meant number 2… Hey man, you’re okay.


   By Bob #2 on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 09:30 pm: Edit Post

ATTENTION- Kelly, dirty and I are on strike.

Bob#2


   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 01:05 am: Edit Post

sure we are.


   By dirty rat on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 02:40 am: Edit Post

Since we're on strike, number 2, I think I'll take this opportunity to go to the potty and take a number 2.

Sorry,... couldn't resist.


   By Tai Chi BOB on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 02:58 am: Edit Post

Tai Chi BOB

The real imposter


   By adam smith on Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 05:19 am: Edit Post

pressure point application works on the cycles of generation and degeneration within tcm and no my wife has no comment


   By Bob #2 on Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 02:31 pm: Edit Post

I'm glad you finally set her straight.

Bob#2


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