that you appear ill-informed.

haha, ok. I probably am. I am basing this simply off my experiences. Once I have more experience, maybe my mind will be changed. Then again, maybe it wont.

Here is a link to a website that you can download Novell G. Bell doing Bagua ground fighting. Enter the encription where it tells you to and wait 45 seconds and it will download. It is about 9 minutes long.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3FEP30SE

That is the black taoist for those of you who didn't know.

once you've downloaded it, and posted it to youtube, I will await the link anxiously.

I really, REALLY, hope you are not taking this literally?? For the most part I respect BT, but I have seen this before and it is terrible!
Jake

I've seen it before...it was difficult to watch. I give him a D- for his effort to have some type of strategy on the ground, but a month in a BJJ class or 3 months in a Judo class could teach him more than he displayed in the video.

I'd be curious to hear what Tim has to say about it.

seriously.

go to the source.

LIKE TIM DID.

most BJJ schools will let you try a class for free.

better yet, try Judo.

It was not that long ago that I was also in the "Taiji and Xingyi are enough" group. I have no plans to ever compete in any fashion let alone MMA, and I am not even that concerned with the possibility of a ground fighting self-defense senario. So what changed the way I think about BJJ was not the belief that I need to learn it to supplement my IMA, but that BJJ is an IMA. So if I am really interested in IMA why wouldn't I want to study a really good standup IMA system and a really good ground IMA system.

Of course, there is no real BJJ school near me, so I don't actually study it but at least I know I should

Thanks,
Richard

I can understand your reasoning Richard S.

I can undertand your glibness, Kelly Crofts-Johnson.

Bob#2

Why thank you bob.

Yes, why thank me.

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If you don't want to expose yourself to an unwinable battle of World Wide Wits, I suggest you put a pinky on that SHIFT key when typing my name.

Oh god, not that. Haha. I will oblige mister BOB.

Hi guys
interesting conversation, judo is just a watered down version of jujitsu and BJJ is just the gracies version of a style of jujitsu.
bagua is derived from serveral arts as was taiji as are many other arts. the purists forget everything has some origin and most people who master the arts do so by studying many. closing your mind to all other arts is deny yourself to grow to fullness, remember you may learn something from someone you cant from anyone else, that person alone pass that to you.
just sharing Adam

"judo is just a watered down version of jujitsu"

Maybe Adam meant "Judo" is a derivative of Jujitsu. "Watered down" certainly sounds like a jab at a system/style that we all know kicked some serious traditional Jujitsu butt in the numerous inter-school contests during Kano's time.

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haha, agreed. He did have some good points though.