Bagua zhang grappling

Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : Bagua zhang grappling
   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 04:25 pm: Edit Post

BT now has a two part documentary on his youtube account that covers him grappling. it includes already well known footage as well as some new footage. here is the link

http://ca.youtube.com/user/blacktaoist


   By Jason M. Struck on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 11:24 am: Edit Post

i can get behind the Q Tip.

first match;

why doesn't the guy hit him with o-uchi/ko-uchi gari? Why do they stop when the guy could knee bar him from the inverted guard? Why didn't his opponent pass his guard or solidify any of his positions?

was this supposed to be MMA or was this grappling? It seemed as though BT was throwing strikes, but his opponents were not.

basically, this is the some amateurish crap. In BJJ, this level of practice represents the 2-12 week period of no previous experience. In Judo, I would say they look like yellow/orange/green belts.


   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 03:32 pm: Edit Post

"why doesn't the guy hit him with o-uchi/ko-uchi gari?"

I would respond if i knew what that was, haha.

"Why do they stop when the guy could knee bar him from the inverted guard? Why didn't his opponent pass his guard or solidify any of his positions?"

Thats like saying "why didn't the boxer just punch the other boxer in the nose?" It is a lot easier said than done.

"was this supposed to be MMA or was this grappling? It seemed as though BT was throwing strikes, but his opponents were not."

Grappling. I am not sure where you see BT throwing strikes. He never hit the guy once.


   By Jason M. Struck on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 05:37 pm: Edit Post

o uchi is a basic foot sweep.

easy to employ when someone's feet are spread wide laterally.

no. that knee bar would have been easy for any BJJ blue belt or any beginning sambo student.

it looked like he was throwing elbows from the guard (albeit lightly)


   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 09:38 pm: Edit Post

"o uchi is a basic foot sweep.

easy to employ when someone's feet are spread wide laterally."

Is it used when one foot is further forward than another?


   By Backarcher on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 11:26 pm: Edit Post

It can be or a square stance. It's actually a inner reap.


   By Jason M. Struck on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 11:26 am: Edit Post

Kelly; judo is a great way to learn to make people fall down

bjj is a great way to learn what to do with them when they get there.

train in either. it will be such a more productive use of your time.


   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 01:33 pm: Edit Post

"It can be or a square stance. It's actually a inner reap."

I see. We have a simlar movement in our system. Probably a little bit different.

"Kelly; judo is a great way to learn to make people fall down
bjj is a great way to learn what to do with them when they get there.
train in either. it will be such a more productive use of your time."

I agree, crosstraining can be a great help. I actually went to a judo class the other day with a friend of mine. I think the best part is getting to spar with people of different disciplines. I think that is why BT does it. Always good to have experienced what your opponent is going to try to do to you before they do it for real.


   By William on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 06:28 pm: Edit Post

a judo handbook i found

http://www.mjjudo.com/handbook.pdf


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