No I am not Chinese. I'm not sure of the characters of Li's name. The form I was thinking of is not the one taught by Sun Bo Kwon (whom I had the pleasure to meeting many years ago). The form I was describing is a standardized form approved by the PRC government and is illustrated in many books.
i personally studied with (victor)sheng long fu.the grandson of fu chen sung . this style is very demanding.one thing that i learned from pa kua was how important the spine is to overall health and boy does fu style really work your spine.i don't want to bad mouth other teachers of this style but if you can.... always go to the source for proper study.i've moved on from studying from fu but if you have a specific ??? i'll try and answer it. or go to his webpage for seminar and video info. http://www.fustyle.com/
I agree with Buddy.
I too studied with Lin chao Zhen for a time. and the second half of his dragon form is with out a doubt Yin style. the piercing palm stands out.
The info I got on that is a cross between Ma Gui and Yin Yu Zhang, Yin fu's Son.
As for Ma having student's, he did, but as buddy said not formal. Im my Yin lineage Cao Zhang sheng
Began learning from a student of Ma, Fu Wen Yuan. (This proves he had students because this one had at lest reached the instructors level).After a year Fu took him to Ma who worked with him for a short time and decided to take him to Yin Fu who accepted him. he trained With Yin and Ma at his school for 10yrs. and to add iceing to the cake, Ma taught him the point hitting method that Dong Hai Chuan taught him.
I went through all that because In my research I found very close similarity's between Cao, Yin Yu, and the Yin style aspects of lin chao zhen's Dragon form as well as the Yang form.
Also, When I look at Bo Sim Mark, Johnny Lee, Victor Fu and liang Qing Ya, as well as lin chao zhen You can see the changes that Fu Chen Sung's Teaching underwent as time passed.
I've seen Nick grecinin and victor Fu demo the Dragon form and they were different from each other and the one I learned from Lin is different from the both of them. they share the essence and similar moves, but they are quite different.
Now Liang Qing Ya, He's sweet. I haven't seen him do the Dragon form but from what I have seen,
I think he the best example of fu style out. I plan to pay him a visit the next time I'm in CA.
Anyway that's my 2cents
You have not seen me demo the Dragon Palm, as I've never performed it publicly.
Maoshan....ouch. Red handed even.
To Nick Gracenin:
I have seen you a few times in St. Pete, FL. at Scrima's tournament... Bravo! I always enjoy your demo's.
Fu style Dragon Pakau is a great system. The only thing you need to ask yourself is... what are you looking for, and of course what is available in your area.
From what I have seen and experienced... Fu Dragon prefers throwing and Yin prefers striking, but they both offer great self defense and a healthy life style.
There are some clips of Fu Style Bagua at http://www.wudangfist.com
All very interesting. I'm an old student of Victor Fu (I did not learn everything he had to teach by a long shot) now living in Ottawa Ontario. Are there any Fu stylists/students out this way?
Does anyone even read this message board these days ?
Sgt Hamish Gordon
i think its funny that he specifically points out this message board in his essay.
"Does anyone even read this message board these days ?"
You mean, besides you?
I don't know about the Fu style, but I learned something from that website.
If you look at the pictures of the old master, he has perfect posture in every one.
If you look at the pictures of the grandson, he has terrible posture in every one. Maybe that's why he can't stab his fingers into a body like his grandfather.
Hey Ima I looked at the fu website, and the writer stated the absurdity of this message board with a link, I had to read the whole thread looking for the absurdity but could'nt find it, then it occured to me on reading the writers essay...
"Fu Style punch should go from soft to hard, and instantly back to soft; this delivers a whip-like punch that cannot be easily ceased by the opponent."
.... that maybe he is up is own arse ?
hmmm.. punches that can not be easily ceased by the opponent, I could do with learning some of them !!! funny I have real problems landing these punches which "can not be easily ceased" by my Muai Thai sparring partner..
Evolution can also lead to "errors" and extinction.
It seems the grandson makes this case quite explicit.
I don't know about this case, but there have been situations in karate where the son, son-in-law, whomever, of the Asian master had no interest in learning the art and had no instruction or practice. Then when they suddenly decide to get involved, after two years they are 5th or 6th dans.
Tim, thanks for replying. The date of the entry before mine is seven months old, hence my question. It was my first time visiting this site. I have since explored it and am glad to have found it. Maybe I will meet you again when you come to Ottawa for another Sun style seminar.
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