Tim's Discussion Board: Ba Gua Zhang : BAQUA KWANDO?
   By EDWARD HENNE on Friday, July 07, 2000 - 01:43 pm: Edit Post


   By Mr_Wacky_Walker on Friday, July 07, 2000 - 04:11 pm: Edit Post

Hi Ed;
Here is a site that specializes in Ba Gua and has a posting area. Good Luck.

   By Mr. Wacky Walker on Saturday, July 08, 2000 - 10:41 pm: Edit Post

Hi Ed;
I was hoping Tim was going to weigh in here. I have been scouring everywhere to find a reference between Ba Gua and the Kwando. I have looked at all my issues of the now out of print Pa Kua Journal. Vol. 6, #3 pages 11-13 shows Sun Xi Kun wielding what looks like a Kwando. The section is titled Spring and Autumn Knife with pictures. The article calls it the Big Knife along with a list of aliases. It doesn't list the Kwando among the aliases. It says in the Three Kingdoms period, Guan Fuzi's knife method was famous. I hope this is enough information to help you in your search. Plum Flower Press has certain back issues including this one for purchase.

   By Tim on Monday, July 10, 2000 - 02:31 am: Edit Post

As far as I know, Sun Xi Kun taught a Guan Dao form. The only other style of Ba Gua Zhang that I've seen practice with the weapon is the Nine Palace style. I have never seen it taught outside of Mainland China, although there may be some teachers in the States.

   By Ron Panunto on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 09:46 am: Edit Post

Gerald Sharp teaches Bagua Kwandao in the US. He also has a video tape of the form for sale. His web site is

   By eric hargrove (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 03:24 pm: Edit Post

Liu Dekuan's lineage has halberd/kwando

   By erichargrove (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 04:08 pm: Edit Post

Liu Dekuan (1826-1911) from Cangzhou, Hebei province. From "Metall spear Xu Liu" studied "big spear of six co-ordinations" and became known as "Daqiang Liu" ("Big spear Liu"). In Hubei province he studied six sets with fangtian huaji (drawed pole-axe of square heaven). From bandit Lu Lin he studied "18 devil's methods of using hands" and using the secret weapon "half-moon dart". From Dong Haichuan he studied baguazhang, from Liu Shijun - yueshi sanshou, from Yang Luchan - taijiquan. On the base of yueshi sanshou he created eight sets of yueshi lianquan, on the base of using ji he modified the methods of spearfighting, on the base of baguazhang sanshou he created liushisi shou (64 hands).
After Master Cheng Tinghua died, Big Spear Liu was the acting teacher and controlled the junior apprentices. He did his best to teach them, and give guidance and support to the less advanced. His transmission has Fighting Body Spear, Eight Spear, Black and White Sparrowhawk, Small Sparrowhawk, the method of the halberd, qinna methods and the straight line practice of 64 Hands

   By Josť de Freitas (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 05:03 pm: Edit Post

In Jerry Alan Johnson's and Joseph Crandall's book you will find line drawings (I assume from some chinese older text) for a complete kwandao form, which is referred to as Spring and Autumn Halberd.

In "Classical Pa Kua Chang Fighting Systems and Weapons".

I have no idea what lineage it is from. I'll look up the book later.

Josť de Freitas

   By Eric Hargrove (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 08:51 pm: Edit Post

oh sorry I was wrong, the halberd that Liu Dekuan did was the Fang Tian Ji/Fong tien Gik - a crescent hooked lance.

What bagua lineage preserves this set of his?

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