Internal Recall that Parks published system is just fundamentals only as stated. They are clear that there is a lot more.

My situation is very much like yours. It has been many years sence I've had personal instruction. I an constantly looking for things of value or suitable and looking for a teacher who is 1. competent and 2. teaching something I wish to learn.

I have spent a lot of time reinventing the wheel.

I have observed that often it seems that most folks have only one piece of the puzzle and you have to research many sources to figure something out. Even teachers trying to explain the same concept may seem to be saying contradictory things.

It does take some training time to work out which things to develop or not. I strongly feel many people do not spend enough time on very basic movements. I have learned first hand the importance of standing. Basic, core movements need to be practiced by the hour or by the thousands for months. It is amazing what one can discover by doing that, Park says the same thing.

My desired training sometimes has to be modified to fit around my age or previous injuries, the main factor seems to perservance. Have fun.

By Mark Hatfield -My desired training sometimes has to be modified to fit around my age or previous injuries, the main factor seems to perservance. Have fun.

You are so right, that is what training all about. If you guys are happy practicing parks methods, then that's all that matters.

Best of luck to both of you guys.

Wow. Big Ron you really don't like Park huh? Are you a Brother of Wu Tang by any chance?
There's no need for all this slander. I think the best way to find out if Park's Ba Gua is complete, good, effective, etc, is to find out yourselves.
I can tell you about how I think Sesame Chicken is the worst dish ever, but how it tastes to you is entirely a different matter.

Best of luck to all who think for themsleves.


p.s. SAorry new2bagua about not checking this board and giving you further info on the NJ seminar. I just happened to see his seminar in Inside Kung Fu and this thread made me bring it up.

Brett Tomko-Wow. Big Ron you really don't like Park huh? Are you a Brother of Wu Tang by any chance?

No I am not a Brother of Wu Tang. Are you a Park student by any chance?


There's no need for all this slander. I think the best way to find out if Park's Ba Gua is complete, good, effective, etc, is to find out yourselves.

I don't see how any form of slander, but truth. I said in my first few post replys, I vist and even train with a few of parks so called United States authorized students to teach, Parks people are a Joke in my eyes." I think you need to take a class in comprehension.

Tell you What my friend, Right now I train at the asian martial art institute 448 central park west. I Train in Muay Thai kickboxing, under sifu Fertal. I know a few of my classmates that love to spar Some of Park top students, Myself also. So if you are a Park student Lets hook up, Hey we even come down to Park New Jersey school To spar him or any of his top students. I bet You are a student of that school hiding behind your PC.

But unlike you I am willing to met up with park or any of his top students any where any time.

Big Ron the name my friend, don't forget it.

"No I am not a Brother of Wu Tang. Are you a Park student by any chance?"

Nope. Just someone who noticed how negative you seem about Park in general.

"I think you need to take a class in comprehension."

That was cute.

"Tell you What my friend..."

I think you wouldn't be too friendly with me if I did meet you or come to your school, so I'll pass on the whole sparring thing. Good luck in trying to spar Park's students I guess.

"But unlike you I am willing to met up with park or any of his top students any where any time."

I'll meet with Park or his top students anywhere anytime too. I'm sure they are great people like most other martial artists. I don't know if I would include you in that group though. You seem really negative. No thanks "friend".

"Big Ron the name my friend, don't forget it."

What a cornball. Ok Big Ron, I won't forget, but only if you promise not to forget my name either.

Nope. Just someone who noticed how negative you seem about Park in general.

Big> I know a lot of people who don't like park method, is this not a martial art discussion board, and I have a right to voice my opinion.
My views are base on real experience with park and his so called top students teaching his Pa Kua Chang method. Not one of his students have any experience as fighters. I know because when I was training with them, not one of them did any fighting at all. All they talk about was just how great park skill was, and when i met park he was nothing to write home about. Big time fake."


"Tell you What my friend..."

I think you wouldn't be too friendly with me if I did meet you or come to your school, so I'll pass on the whole sparring thing. Good luck in trying to spar Park's students I guess.

Big>My friend I will not have to try to spar any of park students, not one of them guys have any skills, but you should know, because you are one of them. Now this is the part where you say, I just studying park method from his book.


I'll meet with Park or his top students anywhere anytime too. I'm sure they are great people like most other martial artists. I don't know if I would include you in that group though. You seem really negative. No thanks "friend".

You know you are a student, so why put on this fake act like you are not. What a joke you fake martial artist within park pa kua chang association, coming on Tim's web site trying to market park's method of pa kua that he himself invented. But friend, from my time training with park's people let me see just how fake park students are, You are right, they are a great group of fakes taking people money." By the way there is nothing negative in telling people the truth."
Park claims that he train a few of of his students to hit 8 times within 1 sec, what a joke.
you can call me a cornball, but one thing I am not is a fool.

What a cornball. Ok Big Ron, I won't forget,

I know you won't forget my name because me a a few of my Tai Boxing classmates will be coming down to park's school in New jersey to spar Mr. Ray or and of the top students there. After all when I was training there, I hear Ray can hit 8 times within a sec, a few of my classmates want to see this skill in action.
See you soon park student.

Dear Moderator; Please do not allow this violent
behavior here to continue.Is this a place to
stir up fights or a place to come together to
find friends with common interests and maybee even
learn something also?

I have noticed there are threats from persons to
visit others kwoons to fight posted here.

Bill, while I think it's violent too, it's a public forum and like Big Rob said, he's just voicing his opinion. I don't feel threatened because I'm simply not one of Park's students, so his violence/negativity/whatever you want to call it, isn't directed at me really. I agree with you that this should be more a place to make friends and learn from each other, but if you think about it we do learn something from Big Rob.

Yin and Yang are inseperable.

Less talk more sweat.

My comments were not pointed at anyone in
particular,just obsevations.thanks.

Just a quick point of reference...it's THAI not Tai.

well that'd be useful if anyone knew what the hell you're 'point of reference' is in reference to.

Since you're on an internal martial arts discussion group... it seems like you're suggesting "it's Thai Chi"

Or did someone make a spelling mistake by writing Tai kick boxing... I don't know... and I don't have time to look for it.

I think you're the only one here who doesn't know what he was talking about.

Who?? What??

Ugh. Point taken.

MUAY THAI.

Shane...not so bright I see huh?
As a_little_bird pointed out, I was reminding people that it's Muay Thai, not Muay Tai.
I don't quite get how you didn't have time to check what I was talking about but you had time to ramble on about something that you didn't understand to begin with. Next time, why don't you refrain from posting?

That, coming from a person who put together the
sentence, "HuH? Didn't I post on here???"
and has used the word "Huh" in most of their posts, is not insulting.

What I do with my time, when and where I post isn't your problem.

I have seen mr. park's books on pakua and I like the exercises he gives in them.

"I train under park so-called authorized to teach pa kua chang,Mr. glen moore,the man skill level was a joke, as many of park's other assistant instructors that I have met.
Park method is a joke in my eyes. "


>The person who said this I would like to see one on one w/the "joke." If you get a hit from this man you are not walking away.

Moore is highly skilled and walks the walk.

I have read and researched as much as possible about Ba Gua over the last three months as I would like to begin learning the art. I post my question here because the discussion is one of the more educational and civilized discussions I have found.
The questions do revolve around Park Bok Nam's Ba Gua.
The criticisms of his method (on all the posts, pages, etc... i have viewed)
1. The method is not combat oriented
2. The method is not fluid
3. The method has no power.

Would you gentlemen address these in turn? In particular, has any one trained with Mr. Park? Were there combat methods taught? Did you spar?, free fight? Was this early in training or late? What about training with Mr. Park's senior students?
Has anyone met Mr. Park or his senior students? Was this in a forum where his their skills were assessed? what about teaching ability?
Is he respected is Asia for his ability? What about his tournament record? (his book indicates his team has competed in the past in Taiwan)

I ask these questions in all honesty. Not to attempt to smear anyone's name. There is a lot of controversy circulating about Mr. Park for reasons that are unclear. Truth is valuable but diplomacy is often more so. Answers like "Park's Ba gua is good/ bad" are less valuable than "I THINK his method is good/bad and here is why"