My Rooftop Fight

Tim's Discussion Board: Tai Ji Quan : My Rooftop Fight
   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Thursday, March 07, 2013 - 07:37 pm: Edit Post

This is a short film made about a rooftop fight I just did in February.

   By Jake Burroughs on Friday, March 08, 2013 - 01:37 am: Edit Post

Wow... don't even know where to start.
Good luck bro... you have more balls then brains.

   By Shane on Friday, March 08, 2013 - 12:28 pm: Edit Post

You've absolutely got guts. For the price of the flight to NY to get yourself knocked out you could have afforded to come train with Tim (one or two lessons would fill in the gaps in your game).

Hat's off to you though. That takes a lot of balls and a bit of crazy.


   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Friday, March 08, 2013 - 04:53 pm: Edit Post

Lol yeah I am a little crazy but this makes me happy. I love fighting and I love tai chi. Every fight I have I learn a lot from. This gives my training real perspective. I'm not used to fighting people his size but ill figure it out.

   By Jake Burroughs on Friday, March 08, 2013 - 11:48 pm: Edit Post

Dude... I hate to sound parentish here... but I have to say something.....
I understand fighting makes your day and you are trying hard, but honestly... I know the cats you were involved with. I have watched your videos for the past year or two... Shane speaks truth bro!

You are wasting your time with Novelle. You have fundamental flaws in your fighting. And on the base level you should have a coach/manager telling you that "rooftop" fights are idiotic!? You could be working towards being a professional fighter and actually getting paid to fight. Doing stupid like you just taped is simply going to get you hurt and permanently injured all for the sake of some stupid kung fu role playing played out terribly! And for what? you say experience but this is just stupid.

The "experience" you could get from a semi pro fight, smoker, hell... even an IBJJF tourney will teach you tons more then you learned in this encounter. Not to mention if these were legit fighters under whom you would actually learn something from... why are they not in some sort of professional gym working towards realistic goals?

This path will simply lead to you getting ignorantly injured and with nothing positive to show for it.


   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Saturday, March 09, 2013 - 04:10 am: Edit Post

Lol I agree that my fighting is flawed as of yet. Which is why I continue to fight. The more I fight, the more I learn. I'm not ready for pro fights yet tho. A few more musu fights and I feel I will be ready to venture back in the cage. Novell isn't my teacher. He's a mentor for me but my teacher is here in Utah. I do plan getting some training with Tim at some point in the future to improve my ground game. Not quite yet tho. I want to get my tai chi to a bit higher level first.

   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Saturday, March 09, 2013 - 04:12 am: Edit Post

Thanks for the ideas. I hear where you are coming from.

   By Jake Burroughs on Saturday, March 09, 2013 - 10:56 pm: Edit Post

Bro... I said nothing about a pro fight. I said quite the opposite... get with a real coach who can raise you properly via AMATEUR fights so you can reap the greatest positives and keep the negatives minimal.
You just suffered a serious concussion for no good reason other then stroking your ego. And really... what did you learn from this other then you should be fighting with head gear in a gym with someone a bit more professional monitoring the session.

   By Backarcher on Sunday, March 10, 2013 - 12:13 pm: Edit Post

Yes, you have guts! But so do guys who rob banks and do carjackings. What I'm saying is courage/ "guts" without intelligence is no courage at all.
I respect your loyalty to CMA, but if you continue to fight guys who really are not that skillful in fighting, without focusing on developing your skills separate from just fighting, you are wasting your time.
You need very basic boxing, very basic kickboxing, some type of clinch grappling and Gracie 101. And you need to do those for a year or more before you ever think of fighting again. You need time to unlearn all of your bad habits and time to weave your CMAs experience into a good MMA game. That takes a lot of time.
I wish I could take you under my wing.

   By Bob #2 on Sunday, March 10, 2013 - 12:42 pm: Edit Post

You're a 6 hour drive from Orange County where you could drasticly improve your standup & ground game within a lesson or two, yet you'd fly to New York to get knocked out on a rooftop with a 'mentor'????

You definately have more balls than brains, kid.

   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Sunday, March 10, 2013 - 01:28 pm: Edit Post

Back in August

And just rescently. Has the whole fight.

   By Bob #2 on Sunday, March 10, 2013 - 04:58 pm: Edit Post

I just watched the whole fight and have a couple of suggestions for you:

1- the next time you catch a high kick from your opponet- (as you did several times)-lift their foot up and push it past their head. Unless they have rubber hips this will cause them a very hard fall.

2- actually land a punch or two to show your opponet they are not fighting a piece of paper.

3- find a way to learn from someone who can teach you more than swinging.

   By William on Sunday, March 10, 2013 - 07:46 pm: Edit Post

Oh Dear...what Shane, Jake, Bobs, Backarcher said

   By Jake Burroughs on Sunday, March 10, 2013 - 11:04 pm: Edit Post

Def ears I be afraid

   By Backarcher on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - 07:51 pm: Edit Post

Totally deaf!!

   By Kelly Crofts-Johnson on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 - 02:59 pm: Edit Post


   By Backarcher on Friday, March 15, 2013 - 12:14 am: Edit Post

Before I begin training someone for MMA, the first thing I ask them is, "Do you just want to fight or do you truly want to learn to be a fighter?"

I don't waste my time with guys that just want to fight.

   By Jake Burroughs on Saturday, March 16, 2013 - 03:09 am: Edit Post

Solid approach BA! One could also say "Do you wish to be a fighter, or a martial artist?" Six of one...

   By robert on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - 05:07 pm: Edit Post

Kelly you rely too much on knockout, but to be honest, you don't really have the power for it. It would serve you to learn how to grapple properly, you had a single leg takedown, and you were easily taken down by a headlock...

Work on your speed if you want a knockout. Force equals mass x acceleration. You were landing some good overhands, but you didn't have enough speed or torque to deliver a knockout.

I like musu, and what Novell is doing. That being said, if you learned basic standup and ground grappling, you would obliterate those guys because they work mostly on strikes...

Your tai chi seems to be all show. You don't even use any energy when you make a bridge. Don't you know the 5 energies of tjq? I don't see any sinking, you are flung down like a rag doll. No peng energy, no lu, nothing. Not even a twist.

You have to study the basic concepts more, collapsing the structure, is almost like a sprawl.

If you don't understand the basic concepts of leverage, you will never have enough power to accomplish your goal of knocking the guy out.. and you will never be able to take them down.

You should listen to these guys, they know what they are talking about. They train world class grapplers...

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