"Very easily, they are personal views and opinions and similar are expressed here all the time including here by you, and I am not calling you deluded. And I had them before I met Tian when my lineage went through Ip Tai Tak and Yang Sau Chung."
I was a student of Ip Tai Tak for quite a few years before he passed away. You(Richard) did not get your views or opinions from him. Don't attach his name to your views and opinions in hope that they will be taken more seriously. It's cheap and dis-respectful.
My attachment was via his 1st disciple Ding Teh Chean (John Ding) and seeing as there were only two disciples, and you, whoever you are, were not one of them, unless you name is Bob Boyd, I will still consider the information that was given to me to be valid.
i have just recieved a copy of Chen Pan Ling's original Tai Chi Chuan text book. in his lineage chart it shows that he was a student of Yang Shao Hou as well. maybe Shao Hou had a few other students after all.
enjoy... that is one great book.
Richard, I never claimed to be the disciple of anyone and I never attached anyone's name to my "personal views or opinions". My name is Craig Yu and I was a student of Ip Tai Tak and John Ding.
May be I need to put this simpler for you. In my previous post I was disagreeing with the way you tried to put more weight behind your "personal views and opinions" by associating them with Ip Tai Tak's name.
Then you miss read the post, read it again!!
It was claimed that my view originated with Tian, I simply said that I had that view prior to him when my training rooted from a different source which for convenience sake I named. Nothing more happened than that, you are reading *in* according to your own *political* interpretation.
I had been quoting many things that did originate with Tian, and just said that this didn't. No Biggy unless you have a motive to make it so!!
If you actually knew me you would know that I was incapable of using and insulting Master Ip in any way.
You say "was" does that apply to John Ding as well as Master Ip?
Yes, I "was" their student.
I'm just reading what you wrote. No spin involved!!
Whose student are you now?
I have a feeling that your reaction was more influenced by what others were writing that what I was. Anyway please accept that you were wrong. I have opinions that are my own and I have information that has been transmitted to me. AND I have names of people I have trained with and been a student of. I see no reason not to submit this information and none of it should be seen as any form of style, lineage, teacher, master, or even myself :o)) worship or denoting any form of percieved superiority. I am afraid I have no spin either. Information is a two way process I wish to give and I wish to recieve.
There are many who wish to perpetuate secrecy as a form of marketing or out of fear to stand out. I wholeheartedly dislike the first and have no fear of the second. This is the motivation that promted me participating in this thread, no other.
Everything that has ever been comunicated to me about Tai-Chi or that I feel I have discovered through my own training is available to anyone to use and judge as they wish. Some notable people would like to shut me up, and derision and game playing are just a tool in that process. That will not happen :o))
Are you trying to prove something to us? or to yourself? I can do without your "humble knowledge"
But, I'm sure that wont stop you, will it?
Mr. Dunn doesn't have a humble bone in his body. Mr. Dunn likes to play the lineage game, and unproven family history game. Basically what this denotes is a complete lack of any real skill.
Mr. Dunn eats corn the long way...
Here's the real secret: YER TEACHER IS FULL OF ...
Now it's not a secret and you owe me 1700.00 for the "seeting you free fee" Dunn.
Are we Dunn yet?
My posts were not a product of reading other people's posts, it was a product of reading yours. I was not wrong. And what does it matter to you who i'm a student of? You wanna tell on me? I don't need my teacher's name's to back my views and opinions up, I can do that myself.
Richard Dunn said: "Please accept that you are wrong."
Now THAT quote just about sums up Mr Dunn. I'm beginning to think that he must have a mild case of autism - you know, the inability to see the world from anybody's point of view but his own.
Given his obvious disability perhaps we shouldn't take his posts seriously at all?
Quite bizarre!! The quote was about someones interpretation of what I wrote. Now believe it or not *I* wrote it, so if anyone should know what *I* meant surely it is me!! Someone elses interpretation is just that. As it was my Yi not theirs then I would know not them, and it was a mild polite correction.
But of course.
Excuse me I'm feeling wordy,
I believe you're right about you're wrong. Though mr Dunn doesn't believe you're right. However humble he is, and however polite writing "please accept that you are wrong" seems in his own mind, he does miss that what everyone else picks up from him is something like
"only I am qualified to say when I'm right, and I am, about everything, my teacher told me"
the meaning of the communication is the response it elicits. The response he has elicited from a good many posters suggests that he communicated "I know the truth about Taiji, pity you don't"
He just does not appear accept that that was what he communicated. Each time he answers he digs himself deeper.
What about the response we elicit from Mr Dunn? If we want a different response perhaps we can be more flexible in the style of our communication.
Or perhaps we just say to ourselves "what's the point?"
A very unrepresentative straw vote. Or do you believe everyone has to feel the way you do, is that your version of the arrogance you accuse me of. How many people read these posts? what percentage has taken your view. I find it interesting on lists like this only those that want to bark at the words make noise, those that just read, read. Also not only dogs you also have the sheep who because you (and I mean you) says it is so they presume that you in your pre eminent lofty masterdom must be right. Hey ho! human nature is such a peculiar thing. I am sure you will find your own point before you sit on it.
I come back to read this site and Richard is still on the same thread with his secret only I know Taiji! Too funny.
Let's make a vote. How many people who read this thread think Richard Dunn is silly?
Dunn is silly is a very mild way to put it. I guess it takes all kinds... I can do without his kind.