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Tim's Discussion Board: Tai Ji Quan : Sun taiji , bagua, xingyi, wu taiji.

   By Gary Ellis on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 11:23 am: Edit Post

Oh, the young lady did have some hung gar background and one of the boys did some boxing in college--in the spirit of full disclosure :-). The other two lads had no previous training.

   By Matthew McCullar on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 11:51 pm: Edit Post


That's very cool! How much conditioning do you do? Just wondering, to see if I should up mine any.

   By Gary Ellis on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 07:22 am: Edit Post

Better ask Tim about that. As I said, my teacher teaches Tai Chi as a martial art, so we do about as much conditioning and sparring as most decent karate schools. We do some conditioning every class, but we really hit it hard about once a week. We also do sparing at various levels in about half of the classes. But we are mostly average folk and we don't/can't all do truly hard-core contitioning or a lot of full contact.

If you are going for top level competitive fighting, Tim and his boys can help you out. All I ever did was a couple of local full-contact karate matches years back, and I rarely spar full-out any more, though I do spar.

   By Tobbe on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 04:59 pm: Edit Post

Hi Tim
This maybe a stupid question but I just wonder if itīs possible in the clinch to move kind of "effortless" -thinking on your video "effortless combat throws"

   By Ventura on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 06:18 pm: Edit Post

How effortless you look depends on the difference in skill between you and your opponent.

I'd say I look damn perfect and effortless against a 110 lbs vegan yogi.

   By Tim on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 08:18 pm: Edit Post


Right, while it is always important to use yourself correctly and to always seek out maximum leverage, how good your opponent is will be a big determinant of how "effortless" your clinch work will be.

   By Tobbe on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 04:11 am: Edit Post

Ok Thanks for answering
So in the clinch, the weaker one canīt really win if not he/sheīs technique are much,much better than the stronger opponent īcouse you canīt really build up momentum in that range, right?


   By Jake Burroughs on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 09:14 am: Edit Post

The stronger will always win when the skill level is equal or less than his. That is just simple physics.

   By Tim on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 07:47 pm: Edit Post

My ratio:

If your opponent is 50% stronger than you, you need to be at least 100% technically better than him to have a chance.

   By Tobbe on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 03:05 am: Edit Post

Ok But does that mean that the IMA - principles doesnīt work in the clinch - weak overcoming the strong and so on


   By Jake Burroughs on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 12:43 pm: Edit Post

When someone makes a reference to "weak overcoming the strong" it is usually (to my understanding anyways) a reference to what Tim was saying..... the weaker can certainly beat a stronger, but his skill level must be much higher! IMA principles are no different than other principles, because, well, principles are principles. The principle of me throwing you down does not change if I am doing Mantis or Xing Yi. Same principle. Unfortunately their is too much out their where whack jobs are talking about IMA principles such as projecting qi and garbage like that. That is just BS period.

   By Tobbe on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 07:32 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Jake
I guess there is no shortcuts, only hard work


   By Jake Burroughs on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 11:57 pm: Edit Post

Jeez, I wish! Actually no I don't I suppose the journey is the destination. One must continue to push their own boundries!!

   By Matthew McCullar on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 05:31 pm: Edit Post


How would you(or anybody else who would want to answer) rate Freestyle Push Hands? Ranging from pushing, to punching while staying connected, with kicking every now and then, to learn self defense principles?

Thank you,

   By Tim on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 07:30 pm: Edit Post


When we practiced "push hands," light striking, joint locks and throws were all allowed.

I think, practiced this way, push hands is a very useful training method.

   By Charles R. Alsip II on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 12:45 am: Edit Post


Quickness is another factor in the smaller man being able to overcome the bigger, stronger man.

Matt & Tim,

I have always found that any form of push hands gives an MA a tremendous "feel" for what an opponent is going to do. If you have an idea what is coming next it certainly gives you a huge advantage.

   By Jake Burroughs on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 10:02 am: Edit Post

True that speed certainly can help, but it won't mean if he has no technique!

   By Charles R. Alsip II on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 02:32 pm: Edit Post


Not arguing that, just saying that when you're a smaller man speed plays a large part in whether or not you can overcome a larger, stronger opponent.

As size and strength are the advantages a big man brings to the fight, speed/quickness is the advantage that the smaller guy brings to the fight. A martial artist without technique is, after all, not a martial artist.

   By Jake Burroughs on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 06:30 pm: Edit Post

Good point. I agree.

   By The Iron Bastard on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 07:50 pm: Edit Post

Charles does make a good point but he forgot to define speed/quickness.

   By Charles R. Alsip II on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 01:29 am: Edit Post

Iron Bastard,

The definition depends on whether or not you own a Ferrari. lol

   By The Iron Bastard on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 09:55 pm: Edit Post

Not bad Charles but I don't have to spend over 200,000 and have a permanently revoked license to define speed. Speed is distance over time and quickness would deal more with timing.

However, a Ferrari is a perfect example of how to control speed from same speed to acceleration to changing speed very quickly, depending on how good of a driver you are.

   By Matthew on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 05:26 pm: Edit Post

Thanks guys! This place is a gold mine of information! I've been browsing around and searching things on here as well... In another topic, it says that doing a practice for more than 45 minutes is actually counter-productive, I've read this before, actually; can the same be said about Push-Hands? Is doing more than 45 minutes at a time not building as much as I/We think?



   By Tim on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 10:16 pm: Edit Post


You can push hands for as long as you like.

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