Sun style application guide

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   By rodolfo hagberg on Thursday, December 28, 2006 - 06:38 pm: Edit Post

wu ji (wuji)

tai ji (taiji)

lan fu zha yi (lazily tie the coat)

The turn to the Lazy About Tying Clothes movement is used to move outside a straight punch to the face, deflect the punch, check the elbow then strike the opponent's face with a straight palm strike.

kai shou (open hands) he shou (close hands)

The first open/close in the form followed by the Single Whip is used as an escape from a rear, overarm bearhug to a throw. This is the standard technique usually taught.
The opening is a projection from a double wrist grab.

dan bian (single whip)

You lean back into the opponent, and lift your elbows out to the side to slide the opponent's arms up to your upper shoulders (open/close). Then you step your left foot around to the opponent's rear (behind his right leg) and lean into him (to your left) as you strike with the back of your left elbow, throwing him backward over your left leg (Single Whip)

ti shou shang shi (raise hands)

bai he liang chi (white crane spreads its wings)

lou xi ao bu (brush the knee and step)

shou hui pi pa shi (strum the lute)

Strum the Lute is an elbow leverage and uproot technique

jin bu ban lan chui (advance with deflect, parry and punch)

ru feng si bi (close)

bao hu tui shan (embrace the tiger and push the mountain)

ward off, roll back and press

lan zha yi (lazily tie the coat)

is a high, outside roll back followed by a single hand push

zhou xia kan chui (fist under the elbow)

The Fist Under Elbow technique in the Sun style is basically the same as the Yang and other styles, an opponent throws a right straight punch at your face, you slip outside the attacking arm as you step forward with your left foot and check outside the opponent's right elbow with your left palm as you simultaneously move in with a straight punch to the opponent's ribs (your punching arm moves below the opponent's right arm).

dao nian hou zuo shi (repulse the monkey, left)
dao nian hou you shi (repulse the monkey, right)

The Repulse Monkey is a spiral throw. For example, you underhook your opponent's left arm with your right and pull his right arm under your left armpit with an overhook. With your right foot between the opponent's feet you step back with your left foot and throw the opponent around your right hip, much like a hip toss but the opponent moves more around your hip rather than over it.

san tong bei (three connections through the back)

Section One of Pass Through the Back Three Times is a technique designed to stop a shot for a leg tackle (a single or double leg tackle). You move offline and push the opponent's head downward as you deflect his near side arm.

yun shou (cloud hands)

gao tan ma (pat the horse)

High Pat on Horse is a downward cover with simultaneous downward strike. You punch me in the stomach with your right fist, I move my hips back and cover downward with my left hand and simultaneously strike you in the face with my right palm. Xingyiquan's Pi Quan technique is similar.

you qi jiao (raise the leg, right)
zuo qi jiao (raise the leg, left)

The "leg lifting" kick is used to strike an opponent on the side of the ribs or armpit, from a 45 degree angle off center (the kick is done toward one of the "corners" in the form. This tells the practitioner the kick is to be applied from an off center angle against an opponent).
By swinging the leg up straight, there is no telegraphing the kick by first bending the knee.

zhuan shen ti jiao (turn the body and kick)

qian bu da chui (advance and hammer down)

fan shen er qi (reverse the body and double rising attack)

pi shen fu hu (attack the tiger)

zuo ti jiao (left kick)

you ti jiao (right kick)

shang bu ban lan chui (advance with deflect, parry and punch)

xie dan bian (diagonal single whip)

ye ma fen zong (part the wild horse's mane)

You enter inside the opponent's right arm (off a straight punch for example) and step the left foot as far behind the opponent as possible, until your left hip and ribs are in contact with the opponent's right side. Extend your left arm straight across the opponent's throat, shift your weight to your left leg at an upward angle then turn left a little to throw the opponent onto his back. The application is the same to the left and right. The transition from Parting the Wild Horses Mane to Press involves a double downward pull with both hands as the head rises upwards and forwards (a headbutt)

you bei zhang (right palm stance)

yu nu chuan suo (fair lady shuttles)

yun shou xia shi (cloud hands follow-up)

geng ji du li (chicken stands on one leg)
The basic application is to parry one of the opponent's hands down and then strike straight up his centerline with your elbow, connecting below the opponent's chin as you simultaneously knee him in the groin.

shi zi bai lian (crossed lotus kick)

jin bu zhi dang chui (advance and punch)
Normally the jin bu zhi dang chui is used to parry or slip (duck outside) a straight punch and then counter with a simultaneous punch downward to the opponent's pubic area.

tui bu lan zha yi (retreat and lazily tie the coat)

dan bian xia shi (single whip follow-up)

shang bu qi xing (advance and seven stars stance)

is an entry technique that allows you to move inside your opponent's initial defense and attack with your head, lead arm or rear leg.

xia bu kua hu (step back and ride the tiger)

is used to evade a straight punch and pull the opponent into a knee strike to the ribs.

zhuan jiao bai lian (spinning lotus kick)

You and your opponent have your right feet forward. You strike with your right hand at his face, the opponent blocks outward with his right hand. You grab his wrist and pluck (jerk) his right hand to your right as you kick him in the kidney with a right outward crescent kick. Then you step your right leg behind his right and wrap your right arm around his neck, throwing him onto his back with a right back heel trip.

wan gong she hu (pull the bow and shoot the tiger)

shuang chui (double punch)

yin yang hun yi (merge the yin and yang)

wu ji huan yuan (return to wuji)

If anyone has anything to add, feel free to do so

   By Mike Hale on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 04:26 pm: Edit Post

Nice, thanks Rodolfo.

Happy New Year To All!

   By Jake Burroughs on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 12:00 pm: Edit Post

Thanks! With whom do you study Sun Taiji?

   By rodolfo hagberg on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 01:55 pm: Edit Post

Books and videos Mate. By the way, this "guide" consists entirely of quotations. I haven't written a single thing!

   By Tony on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 08:12 am: Edit Post

"jin bu ban lan chui (advance with deflect, parry and punch)"

First part is a limb destruction.

"san tong bei"

Can also be a shoulder throw.

"fan shen er qi (reverse the body and double rising attack)"

This is probably the most important move in the form.It contains the mechanics of "pole-axing" but most people miss it.A bouncer in the Uk,called Dennis Jones,scored 46 one punch KO's using this technique.

   By Jake Burroughs on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 09:10 am: Edit Post

Care to elaborate on the pole axing?

   By Tony on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 12:34 pm: Edit Post


This interview with him might help.

He's a very interesting guy,a qualifed Wu style teacher,university lecturer and street fighter!He's had over 2000 street fights in the last 25 years.

I have only used this pole-axe punch once and the guys face hit my abdomen as he went down,almost as if he had been pole-axed,hence the name.It was Dennis who pointed out the move to me in the Sun form.

He's bringing out his first DVD in February on the topic of pre-emptive striking in the street.It will include pole-axing.

   By Elliot on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 12:58 pm: Edit Post

2000 fights in 25 years.

Thats awesome, thats seven street fights a month, every month for 25 years.

Thats alot more street fights than I have had.

   By Jake Burroughs on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 03:31 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Tony.

If you guys are engaging in that many street fights, something is wrong with you!


   By Bob #2 on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 04:58 pm: Edit Post

7 street fights every month for 25years- that's my kinda guy!

It's funny, some people keep trying to have me committed for having half that record.

   By Tony on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 07:02 am: Edit Post

"If you guys are engaging in that many street fights, something is wrong with you! "

We're British!I must admit Dennis has had more street fights than most of us put together but he has worked the doors for the last 25 years.Sometimes he had three or four fights a night.

   By Bob #2 on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 11:53 am: Edit Post

I've worked all kinds of doors for nearly 50 years. And I've only have 1,004 fights. That Dennis guy must have quite a chip.

Quite a chip!

   By Tony on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 05:28 am: Edit Post

Dennis works the doors in a place called Chatham.Its the home of a Royal Navy dockyard and the populace is mainly what you guys would call blue collar drinking class.Put the two together and its a recipe for trouble.The lower ranks in the British military are the scum of the earth but they do tend to be very effective in battle.Main problem is keeping them amused when there isn't a war to fight!

   By Bob #2 on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 09:02 pm: Edit Post

Shocking! I've always heard such good things about the Brittish. I bet Dennis would be shocked to know that doormen in American cities get treated well and tipped frequently. (and vary rarely resort to fisticuffs).

   By Tai Chi BOB on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 04:59 pm: Edit Post

Bob#2 is right
I have worked doors, windows, hatches and even a peep-glory hole, in an up-scale opium den/spa.
The tips come all night

I remember one good tip
"left handed door- opens inward"
See that is the Yank advantage: entrance stategy

   By Jake Burroughs on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 07:41 pm: Edit Post

I guess I am special because I still don't get the pole axe thing. Is this like a hook that he uses to cut with the knuckles or something?

   By Tony on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 05:40 pm: Edit Post

Hi Jake,

Go to page 131 of Tim's book on the Sun Lutang 97 form,Turn the body and ambush the tiger.You do the double handed pull back,as if pulling a cart and load the body.Both hands then descend like an axe cutting through a tree.This is the pole-axe.Its best to play around with it on the heavy bag.We also used it in Systema and its consider Yiquan's heaviest strike.I think John L Sullivan also used it!Its a very effective strike as you cut through various targets all at once,hit the jaw and descend to the chest to deform the structure.



   By Jake Burroughs on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 09:15 am: Edit Post

So basically a hammer fist strike? Or are you using both fist's?

   By Tony on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 05:20 pm: Edit Post

It works best with the knuckles,only requires a slight adjustment of the arm but the muscles used remain the same.This same movement appears in a tennis serve.Think of how a top player serves,the serve goes down,across the body recruiting the maximum amount of muscles.Its a natural movement and it shows how much knowledge Sun Lutang had about the natural movement of the body.The only time I have seen it performed with two hands is in Systema.

If you want to speak to Dennis about it I will dig out his email address.

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