Judo grip

Tim's Discussion Board: Tai Ji Quan : Judo grip
   By robert on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 03:09 pm: Edit Post

Hi Tim,

I was just wondering... Do you have a favorite judo grip? Or any favorite throws?

   By Tim on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 07:29 pm: Edit Post

I like to overhook my opponent's arm and grip inside his far lapel.

My repetoire of classic Judo throws isn't great. In BJJ competition I've had the most success with the Uchi Mata, footsweeps and Kosoto Gake

   By robert on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 02:39 pm: Edit Post

ah i see, cool.

kosoto gake, i like that throw too, good for the big guys...

   By Backarcher on Sunday, July 01, 2007 - 10:29 pm: Edit Post


What is your most successful method of getting that overhook? Do you have a gripfighting pattern you like to use?

   By robert on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 09:04 pm: Edit Post

Ive been meaning to ask, i didnt really wanna bother tim too much.

is that a one sided grip, or a two on one style grip? if so, thats very interesting, ive never used that before.

hey, howre you doin backarcher...

   By Backarcher on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 12:03 am: Edit Post


If it's the one I use, it looks a lot like the grip in the video...but vertical.

I'm great!

Thanks for asking.

   By Tim on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 12:45 am: Edit Post


From standard Judo grips, I release the opponent's sleeve with my left hand, then I insert my arm up inside the opponent's right wrist with my arm bent at a 90 degree angle past my head (like I'm covering my head to defend a hook). I turn a little to the right to make space.

I then shoot my left arm over the opponent's right arm and simultaneously jerk him in close with my right lapel grip as I make the overhook.

Once I have the overhook I pass the opponent's left lapel to my left hand and press my left hip into the opponent's right hip. I sometimes regrip the opponent's left sleeve with my right hand, sometimes not. I have a series of throws from this position.

   By Backarcher on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 02:35 am: Edit Post

Thanks, Tim!

The whizzer position! Yes, there's an entire world of tactics from there!

That set up is similar to the way I often enter as a counter to my opponent's hook.

   By Jason M. Struck on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 05:07 pm: Edit Post

i'm looking for a way to offensively set up a Russian two on one.
The only way that I really ever set it up now is when the opponent takes my lead lapel and then I snap it off, or in no Gi when an opponent leads with a high hand to the neck or sometimes from a neutral neck and wrist type scenario, and again i counter by snapping off and sort of arm-drag into it...

i would like to be able to set it up before I have to counter my opponent's grip...

   By Tim on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 01:23 am: Edit Post

Hey Jason,

Have you ever tried parrying the opponent's hand as he reaches toward you, treating it like a jab?

For example, when the opponent reaches for you with his right hand (say for your lapel), you slap his wrist down and across toward your right with your left hand and immediately catch under his elbow with your right hand and pull his wrist across under your right armpit as you underhook his upper arm with your left for the two on one position.

   By Jason M. Struck on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 09:41 am: Edit Post


i would consider that a counter, as it requires that you wait for him to reach out

if they're willing to reach out the lead or power hand first, I'm fine. But more experienced grapplers aren't very willing to throw that out early on.

i've been working on something similar that's allowing to me to more aggressively pursue the R2/1. I cross grip with the right hand, and feed my left hand for a normal collar grip. This always elicits a grab with the opponent's lead hand, which is usually straight towards the collar. If he goes under my arm (inside control) it's real easy to put the right hand on the wrist and pop him off with the left shoulder, regripping into the russian 2 on 1 at that point.
I've been having some luck with this.

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