Deng Fuming

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   By Tony on Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 02:38 pm: Edit Post

Anybody seen his Sun style 97 step DVD?

Some interesting applications and he certainly looks like someone who can fight but his form is kind of weird,pauses between moves with fajing(done softly in the form,but violently in the applications),fluctuating height,and numerous other errors.Strange also how his student does the form differently to him!Her form looks more like Sun Jianyun's form, but his looks more like Yiquan shi li put into a tai chi form.Not a bad thing, but I don't know if you could classify it as tai chi.Strange how she is front foot weighted at the end of lazy man but he is rear foot weighted.Also none of the Sun people in Beijing have heard of him despite him claiming to be a 3rd generation member of the Sun Family!

Not a bad DVD but its another deviation from what Sun Jianyun was teaching and could lead to corrupt versions of Sun tai chi taking hold.

   By Jake Burroughs on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 12:51 pm: Edit Post

Don't think I have seen it. Link???

   By Tony on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 06:45 pm: Edit Post

I have never seen it on youtube.Its available from Plumpub.

This clip of his Xingyi varied boxing form might give you an idea of his movement.

I must admit that I quite like his Xingyi,practical stuff without any B/S.

   By Mike Hale on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 10:59 pm: Edit Post

I have seen it, and I agree. Although the applications looked good, I thought his form was was weak, seemed to lean alot into the next move forward and back? Definitely the woman's form was much more like the Sun Jian and Sun Peng form.

He also has Sun Xing Yi and Ba Gua dvd's, I wonder where he got his training, anyone know?

   By Dave C. on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 08:45 pm: Edit Post

There will always be variation in form because people are different. If you look exactly like your teacher, then you haven't properly developed your taiji.

There's nothing wrong with Deng's form. He's simply showing more of the application in the form itself. Shifting forward and back is a great way to show the yin and yang of substantial and insubstantial. Moving up and down is again great because it adds an element of vertical power into the form.

The woman's form is clearly more wushu influenced.

   By Mike Hale on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 11:07 pm: Edit Post

I like your take on this Dave, however my concern was more with his leaning into the next moves. Keep in mind I am a novice, but everything I have ever been taught or read talks about staying upright and not to lean into the next move?

   By Dave C. on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 03:16 am: Edit Post

I've been taught to lean in many postures in my taiji because it brings the power forward into the opponent. That's not saying that you should lean all the time, it's mostly done as needed and in certain postures. For example, Wu style and old Yang styles lean a lot.

Besides that consideration, I really see Deng's form as mirroring the applications. He's letting his knowledge of the usage influence his form performance. Not necessarily a bad thing IMO.

   By Mike Hale on Friday, November 23, 2007 - 09:41 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Dave, I have seen plenty of some of the older teachers leaning in different forms as you said, I always wondered about that.

   By Tony on Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 05:51 am: Edit Post

Thanks for the explanation,Dave.I quite liked his form,it pretty obvious he knows how to use it as a fighting art,but it seemed no one else did.Its probably a different version of the form,Sun Cunzhou lineage.You can definately see Xingyi's six directions in his tai chi.

Deng's main teacher was Liang Fengxiang,and he also trianed with Sun Changpui,Liu Guoxin,Cheng Bingun.He also credits Sun Jianyun as his advisor.

   By Perry Garten on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 01:54 pm: Edit Post

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