Push Hands in the mainland

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   By Bob #2 on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 01:00 pm: Edit Post

When I was looking at Tobbe's post I started to wonder if he's asking a question or just making a statement about his thought processes


   By Bob #2 on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 01:11 pm: Edit Post

And personally, I like the idea of TaiJi GrandMasters shoving each other around like over-growed 2nd graders.


If only they included the footage of the losers dropping like flies days later.

   By Tobbe on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 01:17 pm: Edit Post

lol - yeah well the question was if there´s any differences

   By Bob #2 on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 01:19 pm: Edit Post

oh, yes. One has a question mark at the end, and the other is just sort of conversational.

   By Tobbe on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 01:19 pm: Edit Post

And if the Taijiuan - players in the clip above were to use strikes and kicks as well - wouldn´t it look something like a sanda match?

   By Tobbe on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 01:23 pm: Edit Post

"oh, yes. One has a question mark at the end, and the other is just sort of conversational."

You�re totally right as always Bob#2
- If you look at the second question you can see that I improved

   By Bob #2 on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 01:40 pm: Edit Post

I did. You misspelled 'sandwich'.

   By Abdullah Orozco on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 10:50 pm: Edit Post

This was one of my favorite shows last year:


Any competitor who took a fighting stance out of a Jet Li movie got his ass kicked (almost all of whom were Tai Ji practicioners).

Towards the end of the show, almost all of the finalists were big Xing Yi boxers, whose stances looked more like Jack Dempsey (or Tim Cartmell) than Jet Li.

The XY boxers were fun to watch. They'd tie up with the opponent, and usually finish their opponent w/Pi Quan and/or Beng Quan (excuse the pin yin).

There was one little standout. There was a tall skinny guy who practiced Shuai Jiao. He made it to the finals w/ease. He had a beautiful sasae tsurikomi ashi (a judo footsweep). He was really good at controlling the big XY boxers w/bicep control, which is the first thing I learned from Tim when I started to learn the internal arts. It's also the first thing they teach you in bjj.

The skinny SJ guy was a smart fighter. He had trouble moving these big guys at first. When the XY guys did manage to hit him, usually before he could close the distance, he was rocked.

A quick learner, he'd start throwing beng tren. Almost instinctively, the XY boxers would respond w/pi quan. The little guy would then move his head out of the way and counter w/sasae. Match over.

Then the next XY boxer would come up. He just saw the previous match, so he wouldn't throw pi quan. The SJ guy would initiate with pi quan, the XY guy would counter w/beng tren, and the little guy would counter w/sasae again, winning the match!

The little guy, perhaps more comfortable w/getting hit now, put on a good judo show. As soon as he tied up w/the big XY guys, he'd come in for ippon style throws (uchi mata, uchi mata to ko uchi, o uchi, etc.). I wish I could find some of his matches.

The XY guys could throw too. But when they tried to throw the SJ guy, he'd pop them in the face!

Oh, the other part of the show I liked was when the judges would show the losers, and audience, counters to the the techniques they lost to. Most of the counter techniques shown were either joint locks and/or throws. FYI, most of those judges cross-trained. Too bad they didn't live in Shijiazhuang...

   By Bob #2 on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 12:48 am: Edit Post

These two HOs are fiesty- and my favorite observation is that the one in black seems to get super aggressive right before getting tossed (every time)


   By Bob #2 on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 12:50 am: Edit Post

not only is this impressive, the master seems to float in the scenery.


   By Tai Chi BOB on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 02:15 am: Edit Post

Where did say those sweet ladys had the last name of Ho?

Yes impressive.
That is the new vertual pung, lu, qi, an ride at the Chinese Chucky Cheese.
The lu, qi, an is inside the pung and at the (gung li shen ho) high level Master Chucky turns into Alvin of the chipmonks and sings from the Christmas album.

   By robert on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 07:04 pm: Edit Post

some awesome throws here


   By robert on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 07:04 pm: Edit Post

anyone know who that guy is?

   By Bob #2 on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 06:25 pm: Edit Post

no, but he's obviously not a GRANDMASTER!

   By robert on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 03:13 pm: Edit Post

probably learned from one...lol

   By Backarcher on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 05:00 pm: Edit Post

...or a high school wrestling coach!


   By Richard S. on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 05:41 pm: Edit Post

This clip was just pointed out to me.


   By William on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 08:39 pm: Edit Post

same clip that started this thread

   By Richard S. on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 01:05 pm: Edit Post

Ah... the first video wouldn't play for me.

   By Shane on Thursday, November 13, 2008 - 05:18 pm: Edit Post

someone on EmptyFlower posted this Youtube clip of a great push hands tournament. I can't find it on Youtube, so here's the link:

I think Kelly will like to see what happens in the last match when one guy decides to get an a super low, deep stance to avoid being thrown.

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