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It's just one form of sport/exercise/art. An art will never make a man, nor can a make make an art.

Each man represents himself.

speaking of each man representing himself- Adrian,
why do you post links to threads on other boards where it looks like you've neither started nor participated in the discussion?

I don't mean to beat a dead horse against the wall or anything- but why don't you just ask the question you want answered- rather than posting a link to a 12 page discussion that never gets good?


(P.S. I thought you were great in "Rocky")

That Web site link, is really true. A lot of people study BBJ just to hurt people. It's true.

I mean what is BJJ..

It is old JuJitsu with assorted grapling holds, locks and ground fighting. In every BJJ school there is no respect between each student. The thought of each student is to serously injure people, no matter what. To stirke first and ask questions later.
If you don't have self control, you don't really have a Martial Art. If I had no way out of a fight, I could easly break someones leg.. would I? No, I wouldn't because that damage is way over what I should inflict on someone else.
However, with your BJJ stylists, breaking someones arm or leg is great.
Now both of you have something more to talk about.

Hwang,

You're ignorant.

I'd give Hwang a 5.6 on the Troll-o-Meter.

The awkward splash at the end killed 'em.

"Sensei Hwang" touched on a topic which is critical particulary regarding how little people know about it regardless of what they think they know. This is the legal issues of the use of force. Anybody who reads this forum must read 'In the Gravest Extreme' by Massad Ayoob, one of the major trainers of law enforcement in this country. Short, easy to read, it presents critical legal information that everybody needs to know. This is 'required' reading for anyone who may ever need to use physical force in a confrontation. It may open your eyes. Knowing this in advance helped me to handle legal accusations.

Second and unrelated. I have now acheived the summit from my training and can project my chi and explode chickens. To make clean up simpler and not have chicken guts all over, I first place it in a box with a glass viewing panel.

do you then plug the box in and turn it on?
just kidding, i hasten to add. not debating chi...no way.

seriously, it's a good point you raise about legality, i'd assume. does mr. ayoob say anything about whether one is "trained" or not affecting things one way or another? and what "trained" might be? that one's always made me curious. (btw: i simply do tcc for health. i swear, officer!) maybe i should read the book myself, but you might have a quick answer to that one which would be of interest to people on the board.

best to you...

Yes, training can be taken several ways, some are positive, others can be given a negative twist. Some of this may seem straight out of Hollywood but it really happens, and more often than you might think.

1. Being a trained martial artist, you were supposed to have defeated the multiple armed assailants without having to hurt any of them.

2. As you train to fight, like to fight, want to fight, how could you possibly not have been the agressor?

3. Even if you didn't start it, you were just waiting for an opportunity to test your skills. You jumped at the slight possibility to test your violent abilities.

4. Only a sick, depraved psychopath would spend so much time and energy learning to hurt people.

A. You may be able to show that you attempted to avoid more 'deadly' techniques, to avoid more serious injury to the attacker.

B. You may be able to show that you actually used common law enforcement defensive and control methods rather the deadly monkey hands of death as emphasised by a hostile attorney.

There's lots of stuff like this, there's also counters for it. Sometimes you have to be proactive about these types of legal attacks. You could also show how training makes you a more responsible citizen.

Levels of force, disparity of force, retreat, how you can go to prison even if you were completly justified. How to talk to the police. There's lots of things to know. The book has been out for some years now and still attorneys familiar with it say it's the best easy to read material on the subject.

This stuff is very real. A fight has two parts, the second part is the legal issues afterward. If you don't know how to handle both parts not only can you be screwed, you can very easily screw yourself (even if you were in the right)

Many years ago, I discovered that the county I was living in at that time had a requirement (largely ignored and/or forgotten, but on the books nevertheless) that a MA "expert" had to register his hands with the local sheriff's dept., I kid you not. It was along the lines of those archaic laws against fornication on sundays, etc., but I suppose some opportunistic prosecutor could have made something of it under the right circumstances.

thanks mark and kenneth. interesting stuff.

that "register your hands" stuff comes from long-ago boxing matches. fighters were required to register for the event with the local law. the "deadly weapon" bs is just that.

Meynard,
Why do you say I'm ignorant?
Is it because the truth hurts you?
When you get to the 20 year mark in doing
Martial Arts like I have, then you can call
me "ignorant", and such.
As I look at your other post
that you have put on
this board, it looks like you are indeed angry all the time. Please get some mental help in dealing with your anger.

Hwang,

How many bjj schools have you visited, and who were the instructors?

Hwang-

I think Meynard was responding to your quote:

"In every BJJ school there is no respect between each student. The thought of each student is to serously injure people, no matter what. To stirke first and ask questions later."

That is an ignorant statement for anyone to make 20 years or not. That would be like me saying all people on the internet are perverts or all taxi drivers are con artists. The statement (if serious) could only be made by an ignorant person.

I don't think you were serious- maybe Meynard did.

Shane

Sensei Hwang,
seems like you're puffed up as well as ignorant,
there's plenty of people on this board who've been training 20+ years, and write quietly without swaggering.

If you make generalisations like that about other schools, young whippersnapper Hwang, then your twenty years have been wasted.

Or is that a generalisation made from my own ignorance?

sensei Fogey

ron,

this thread is making my dick hard. please delete my comments or move them to another location. or just close the whole damn thread!
thanks,

willard

Willard;
I’m glad you caught my attention by using my name. I wasn’t checking this thread.

You lucked out. The reference thread that started this whole thing has been removed. Therefore, it is time to close this thread.

Thread has been closed