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Uggh... Judoka are SO predictable and boring to roll with!

Cool to see open attitudes on both side though!
JAB

He's just coming from a sport with a different set of rules, hence his "predictability." But, you're probably just being sarcastic. Hard to tell over the 'net.

Not really. Judo guys that come into the club are SOOOOOOOOO ••••••• boring to roll with. I understand they come from a different sport with different rules, but their general lack of willingness to roll and try something different is off putting.

That said... I have few answers grappling wise against a Judoka who just wants to turtle up and not do anything! Not sure it is an overall wise strategy for BJJ or self defense, but it shuts me down from time to time!

I think it's great Jimmy came down to roll and play with Marcelo. I'm sure he learned a lot. I hope Marcelo took advantage of having an Olympian in his school to work on his stand up. It would not be pretty, but Marcelo would learn a lot.

In my experience, I've found very little differences in rolling with Judo guys. Most of the good judo guys cross train in BJJ. I've found "very few" BJJ guys who are willing to learn some judo.

I've found more BJJ guys using the turtle. They do it because in BJJ competitions they can avoid their opponents winning of points for a guard pass. Which was great for me being a wrestler/judoka/Sambo player also, I have lots of tools to turn them over or submit them.

@Backarcher Re: "I've found 'very few' BJJ guys who are willing to learn some judo. " I guess this varies from academy to academy. Marcelo started off as a judoka. Paul Schreiner, one of the instructors at Marcelo's, came to us from teaching at AKA alongside Dave Camarillo. Two instructors and several students at Alliance NYC are judo black belts.

Personally, I love jujutsu, no matter whether it's the Kano, Gracie or Oshchepkov flavor.

I've found that most of the older "good" BJJ guys from Brazil started off in Judo.
Me2. I love it all!

Every thing has a balance.

Jake, how often do you go to Judo schools to do randori with them? Are you as versed in takedowns as jj?

Not being a prick just saying that there is always a balance.

Though its been a while, I can attest that Jake has a mean makikomi....

Three of us at our club our Judo BBs, one is BB in Judo and BJJ.

BB... blue belts? That's cool and all Kit, but not really something to brag about.

Timothy
The judoka around here are pricks and are not at all welcoming to anyone doing BJJ.
I am not sure who JJ is so I cannot answer your second question.
That said... my coach Brian is a brown belt. We have several black belts who train here, including Clint who was at one time the best in the region.

Always balance... there should be, does not mean there is though!

•••• Kit... I got lucky;)

JAB

Sorry, Jake that you've had such negative experience with Judokas. My experience as initially an outsider with BJJ/wrestling/Sambo experience coming into the Judo world was warmly welcomed.
I had more negative experiences back in the early 90s as a wrestler coming into the BJJ world. Back then, "wrestler" was a dirty word in BJJ schools.
But, it's not the first time I've heard of people having negative experiences with Judokas. Sad, for there is so much to learn.

By the way, what does Xande and Saulo Ribero, Roger Gracie, Jacare, "Margarita", Leo Viera and Marcelo all have in common, besides being the best at BJJ?

Judo!

BA
You owe me no apology, as you have always been cool and nice!
I think many (and this is solely my BS opinion) Judoka are really threatened by BJJ cats (for no good reason). Look at how the Judoka have changed rules in tournaments as an example.

I have practically begged to enter into local tournaments and have had every excuse thrown at me why I cannot.
Bummer.
JAB

What are the rules for the tournament?

Thanks, Jake!

I think the many older generations of Judo see BJJ as Judo. Some of the most common techniques in BJJ today are techniques that they've seen in Judo for the last 20, 30 and, in a couple of my Judo coaches cases, 40 years. Yet, they feel BJJ gets the credit. Rorion and crew didn't help there.

What they fail to understand is just because those techniques are in your art, it doesn't mean you are proficient with those techniques.

Just like the "hip toss" in Gracie combatives is in the BJJ curriculum, yet I doubt if most of those guys could execute a hip toss against a "live" resisting player. They just don't practice from their feet enough.

I say the older generation, for many younger guys I know crosstrain in BJJ, share a school or space with a judo or sambo school, or have at least one training night of all newaza or "BJJ with pins".

I guess I've been spoiled. Judokas visit one another's schools here. BJJ players visits each others schools. And BJJ players and Judokas visits each others school. Not a lot drama. I feel welcomed everywhere.

I think wrestlers and MMA fighters are still the group most discriminated against by both BJJ schools and Judo schools, but much of that has to do with their individual attitudes.

Jake, if you need a waiver signed to compete in a judo tournament, shoot me an email.

Wow, Jake, I'm sorry to hear you've had a hard time with judoka. When I crosstrain Judo in NYC, I go to Sensei Oishi:

http://www.oishi-judo.com/

... a 7th dan who was a Japanese national champion in both Judo and Greco-Roman wrestling.

For my first class I was paired up with a black belt who explained Judo rules, and -- upon finding out my background -- asked what my best Greco and shuaijiao throws were, then showed me the Judo versions of them. It's a shame to hear that isn't normal.

Jack

That is awesome, and a great artist too. Truly a man of budo.

I noticed a subtle anti-BJJ vibe when I trained Judo here in the Pac NW. Old school dojo, very Japanese-American dominated, which may have something to do with it. The vibe was amongst some of the sensei, but not a lot of the younger competitors.

There seemed to be no similar issue with wrestling, we had some state champions in our ranks.