Getting picked up by a big, fat guy

Tim's Discussion Board: Jiu Jitsu/Grappling/Ground Fighting : Getting picked up by a big, fat guy

   By Josh (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 02:50 am: Edit Post

Hi,
Nothing that I could do would smell worse than his "wind palm". Drive a man to drink (antifreeze), I tell ya'.
Anyhoo, as Meynard pointed out; I DON'T know what I'm talking about(I'm new to the grappling game), so both the illumination on the definition of "pummelling" as well as the ideas are appreciated.
As for later in the skirmish when we were on the ground, I tried to get him in my guard (I think that's what it's called when you are on your back and your legs are wrapped around his waist or torso.) but had a rough time because of his girth. I'm curious if anyone has any tips on this matter as well. I did what I could as far as getting my legs around and hooking my heels into his back/kidney area and that worked well enough with the choke that I had on him.Thanks,
Josh


   By Kenneth Sohl on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 01:32 am: Edit Post

Very well, I apologize for wrongly using the word "pummeling" as it is used by 99% of the english-speaking population.


   By Meynard on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 12:03 pm: Edit Post

waaahhh, waaahhh ... don't cry about it little kenny. It's okay to feel dumb.


   By Kenneth Sohl on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 03:04 pm: Edit Post

Yes.


   By Koojo (Unregistered Guest) on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 10:57 pm: Edit Post

Josh,

What you have to do is take a few basic wrestling or grappling classes. Any ninth grade wrestler will know the basics of "pommeling" to defend against being picked up like a rag doll.

Tim,

Are you back from Thailand? When will you start the grappling classes again?

Meynard,

Why are you so confrontational? I look forward to tapping you out again!


   By Tim on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 12:09 am: Edit Post

I'm in Bangkok. I'll be back in class on Monday January 19.


   By jellyman (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 12:28 am: Edit Post

Thanks for the vote of confidence (I think?),

I had years previously asked this very question of my good friend Demetrey Furman, who was a national freestyle wrestling champ in Canada, and came in 6th in the Pan AM games. He is also, fwiw, the guy who got me into systema, and as pure a martial artist as you can find.

I asked him the same question, and he said, let's try it. I was about 200 lb. back then. He was 160 and 4 inches shorter. He did the exact "tech" I described, and called it a cross-face. It does require some sensitivity.

He's showed me pummeling too, but to me it's obvious that if a man wants to fight at the top, it makes sense to go for the bottom.

I also know a bearhug takedown, in which your hands apply pressure to his rear hips, and you drive your chin into a pp around the upper center of his pec (also a balance point). If his hips are loose or his hips are back he can escape, but as with all things, it's a tradeoff in relative skill sets.


   By Blakeism (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 05:24 am: Edit Post

So Tim,

Have you beaten any professional Thai boxers in numerous brutal challenge matches?


   By Kenneth Sohl on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 09:09 pm: Edit Post

Blakeism, I stand in awe of and bow to your grandmastery in the art of trolling. You truly have "kung fu". BTW, I think you and Maciej are one and the same.


   By Meynard on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 10:40 pm: Edit Post

Just having fun with Kenneth Sohl.

Please come on down and tap me out whoever you are. I'm waiting for you.


   By koojo (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 11:25 pm: Edit Post

Meynard, I'll roll with you if you ever get healthy enough.


   By Meynard on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 02:49 am: Edit Post

That'll be the day. Everyone knows I'm never healthy enough. I roll anyway.


   By Vladim (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 01:56 pm: Edit Post

Hey Tim,what do you think of sifu Vunak's kina mutai?Do you think it is effective for when a streetfight hits the ground?


   By Tim on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 05:39 pm: Edit Post

I've never seen kina mutai.


   By cfadeftac (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 02:25 am: Edit Post

Hi,

I once rolled with this really big sherriff's deputy. I gained the mount and once in the mount I came to the horrible realizatiom that my knees were about six inches off the ground at which point he rolled me and squished me.

I'm 5'5'' and about 170 and he was at least 260 and about 5'10'' this is when it was truly driven home that size matters alot.

Andrew

PS Anyone else run into this problem?


   By Tim on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 03:28 am: Edit Post

If you mount an opponent who is too fat for you to touch the ground with your knees, one solution is to sit to one side with one knee on the ground with the other knee squeezing into his ribs.

You can also ride low, with your feet hooked up behind the opponent's rear with strong hip and chest pressure.


   By Vladim (Unregistered Guest) on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 09:32 am: Edit Post

Hey Tim, i was wondering,do you think size plays a bigger role in grappling than the stand-up game?Do you think the heaver a person is, the more chance they have?


   By Tim on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 01:17 pm: Edit Post

Well, it always depends on the individual's level of skill as well.

I think, in general, size will play a bigger part in stand up striking than ground grappling.

The bigger/stronger someone is, all things being equal, the better chance they will have of winning.


   By Jason M. Struck on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 08:07 pm: Edit Post

weight difference just seems to amplify what's going on. IF you are getting knee on belly, it's bad no matter what. But it's progressively worse with every pound the guy adds on you.

If you have a fat guy mounted, you don't really notice his weight that much.


   By L J (Unregistered Guest) on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 12:31 pm: Edit Post

Keep mounting those fat boys and your gonna get AIDS.


   By Alex (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 04:51 am: Edit Post

LOL


   By Vladim (Unregistered Guest) on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 09:10 am: Edit Post

As a matter of interest, what is your fighting weight Tim?


   By Tim on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 08:47 pm: Edit Post

160 lbs.


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