Judo anyone?

Tim's Discussion Board: Jiu Jitsu/Grappling/Ground Fighting : Judo anyone?
   By chris hein on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 09:54 pm: Edit Post

Hey can someone tell me what the differance between, haraigoshi, hanegoshi, and yamaarashi is? I've been looking at some video, and I'll be damned if I can see a differance.

Thanx
-Chris


   By Tsurugi on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 08:56 am: Edit Post

Chris,
It's been a long time since I did judo as a kid - hopefully someone with a better technical knowledge can provide more detail but:
Haraigoshi is a sweeping hip throw - your leg goes straight across both his legs and sort of "hacks" back, sweeping both of them as you take him over your hip...hanegoshi is a spring hip throw - your leg is bent (eg. right knee passing beyond his right knee but right foot on his left knee)instead of sweeping as you throw him over your hip, you sort of do a leg press type movement.
I can't remember a throw called yamaarashi - do you know the english name?


   By Abdullah Orozco on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 12:00 pm: Edit Post

Yama arashi means mountain storm. It's basically tai otoshi with a cross grip.


   By Tim on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 01:58 pm: Edit Post

Other variations of throws called Yama Arashi look much like a cross between the Shihonage of Aikido (Coincidentally, Chein's favorite Aikido technique) and a standing Fireman's carry (Kata Garuma).


   By chris hein on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 08:07 pm: Edit Post

I think judo has to many names for things.


   By Kenneth Sohl on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 08:09 am: Edit Post

What is the main difference between Aikido and Judo?


   By Shane on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 12:01 pm: Edit Post

one only works if the opponent is running at you full speed. The other is Judo.


   By Tim on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 07:00 pm: Edit Post

Judo makes full use of non-cooperative sparring against fully resisting opponents, as well as fighting competitions. Aikido practice is done against cooperative partners.

Although Aikido includes techniqeus applied from the kneeling position, and pinning jointlocks applied after the throws, there is no ground wrestling. Judo includes ground wrestling and submission techniques.

Aikido practice includes the use of traditional weapons, absent in Judo training.


   By Tactical Grappler (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 08:11 pm: Edit Post

Hey everybody!

Tim, congrats on Brazil!

Tsurugi did a good job explaining harai and hanegoshi.

As Tim said, yama arashi appears in several jujutsu systems and each one seems different. Judo's yama arashi has both hands gripping one side (sleeve and lapel) and enter with more like a harai move versus tai otoshi. The leg sweeps like in harai goshi, it doesn't post on the ground, like in tai otoshi.

It was said to be the the favorite technique of Shiro Saigo, an early Judo "giant" (he was actually not a big guy). Apparently when the yama arashi failed he would drop into tai otoshi, so they can be linked.

Judo does have some trad. weapons training, including sword, but pretty much limited to a few defenses in some of the kata. Not at all in depth.


   By Tim on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 01:17 am: Edit Post

Tactical Grappler,

Thanks.

It's been quite a while since we heard from you.


   By Larry Keith on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 05:15 pm: Edit Post

There are many basic throwing techniques in Judo. From there you will find many variations of these throws. There are many throws that seem nearly the same and differ only in something as simple as a change of grip or slight difference in foot position. There are also differences between sport application and combat application. These slight but important differences are part of what makes it difficult to learn techniques from books and videos without the guidance of a skilled instructor.


   By Backarcher on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 01:43 am: Edit Post

http://www.judoinfo.com/techjudo.htm

Everything is there!


   By cory martin (Unregistered Guest) on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 04:21 pm: Edit Post

yea judo info is great if u look up shiro saigo in the last match of kodokan judo vs. the grandmasters of jujitsu, used yama arashi against 1 of the jujistu masters best players. when he used this Y. Yamashita (yasuhiro yamashita`s the world champ`s father) said no one gets up from shiro-sans yama arashi


   By Yonkyu Jeff - USMAA (Unregistered Guest) on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 11:06 am: Edit Post

I have been practicing Judo for almost a year and have reached the 4th Grade, or Yonkyu (green belt). I've found the easiest way to learn for me is to practice the throws as they were originally tought by Dr. Kano. Once I got the basics of a particular throw down, through Randori (free practice) and comeptition, I've found slight modifications to the throw that work better for me and my individual style. This is one of the many reasons why I love Judo.


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